1 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:18,990 [Music] 2 00:00:28,500 --> 00:00:24,890 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:28,510 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:34,460 here's gene Steinberg so isn't it 5 00:00:40,510 --> 00:00:37,250 refreshing that all our suspicions 6 00:00:43,810 --> 00:00:40,520 Christopher or Brian are confirmed the 7 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:43,820 NSA does know what we're doing and when 8 00:00:52,420 --> 00:00:47,690 we do it well stop the presses jeez I 9 00:00:55,060 --> 00:00:52,430 mean God since the late 90s I've been 10 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:55,070 saying that they're probably amassing 11 00:01:01,600 --> 00:00:57,829 daily a visual dossier and everybody and 12 00:01:03,790 --> 00:01:01,610 and I think that's probably true and and 13 00:01:06,130 --> 00:01:03,800 now they're even they even have the 14 00:01:09,100 --> 00:01:06,140 storage capacity and the ability to to 15 00:01:12,690 --> 00:01:09,110 store date you know visual data video so 16 00:01:17,469 --> 00:01:12,700 it's brave new world gene big brother is 17 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:17,479 definitely alive and blinking well I 18 00:01:20,980 --> 00:01:18,740 don't know if they're blinking they're 19 00:01:23,320 --> 00:01:20,990 just watching well they're blinking now 20 00:01:26,950 --> 00:01:23,330 that this Snowden characters come out 21 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:26,960 and officially spilled the beans that we 22 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:31,100 have an administration that is carrying 23 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:32,870 on the tradition of the previous 24 00:01:37,930 --> 00:01:35,110 administration and into the realm of 25 00:01:40,570 --> 00:01:37,940 questionable practices involving 26 00:01:42,609 --> 00:01:40,580 throwing Nets out there and collecting 27 00:01:43,960 --> 00:01:42,619 data whether they need it or not just in 28 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:43,970 case they might need it in the future 29 00:01:50,859 --> 00:01:46,729 they can go back and refer to it and 30 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:50,869 that to me is it goes against everything 31 00:01:56,170 --> 00:01:52,880 that the Constitution says about privacy 32 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:56,180 and to have a private life and this is 33 00:02:01,660 --> 00:01:58,970 just you know par for the course it's a 34 00:02:03,370 --> 00:02:01,670 in emerging a corporate Odyssey and a 35 00:02:05,980 --> 00:02:03,380 fascist state in the eyes of some people 36 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:05,990 oh I like that emerging corporate ah 37 00:02:10,359 --> 00:02:08,090 cracy but that's been true for a long 38 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:10,369 time I mean some of the laws were signed 39 00:02:17,890 --> 00:02:13,780 by Clinton in the 1990s the FISA Court 40 00:02:20,199 --> 00:02:17,900 which came about after Watergate goes 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:20,209 back therefore to the 70s yeah but 42 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:23,090 that's on a per case basis I mean what 43 00:02:26,350 --> 00:02:24,110 they're doing is they're doing a 44 00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:26,360 complete you know monitoring of the 45 00:02:30,430 --> 00:02:28,520 entire communication grid on the planet 46 00:02:31,750 --> 00:02:30,440 I mean they've they've got they've got 47 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:31,760 it all dialed in 48 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:35,209 this prism program is makes a chillon 49 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:39,250 look like you know like a primitive a 50 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:42,049 primitive tool there's again it's par 51 00:02:46,390 --> 00:02:44,090 for the course I you know I'm like most 52 00:02:48,759 --> 00:02:46,400 people I have nothing to hide but but I 53 00:02:52,780 --> 00:02:48,769 I still think that we have a right to 54 00:02:55,750 --> 00:02:52,790 our privacy and in this this latest word 55 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:55,760 is it's just showing us that we're 56 00:03:01,179 --> 00:02:58,250 incremental e creeping towards you know 57 00:03:03,399 --> 00:03:01,189 it's at a latarian scenario here and and 58 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:03,409 I'm not happy about it but you know I'm 59 00:03:07,809 --> 00:03:05,690 just one guy what can I do you know 60 00:03:10,330 --> 00:03:07,819 write my congressman right who's in the 61 00:03:12,729 --> 00:03:10,340 pocket of who knows how many lobbyists 62 00:03:15,119 --> 00:03:12,739 and corporate interests it's it's it's 63 00:03:18,069 --> 00:03:15,129 that but we're not a political show huh 64 00:03:21,039 --> 00:03:18,079 well every time we talk about government 65 00:03:23,830 --> 00:03:21,049 secrecy with regard to UFOs we suddenly 66 00:03:25,599 --> 00:03:23,840 become a political show because if the 67 00:03:27,129 --> 00:03:25,609 government is hiding something who was 68 00:03:30,460 --> 00:03:27,139 doing the hiding the National Security 69 00:03:33,339 --> 00:03:30,470 Agency private industry getting this 70 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:33,349 stuff under black budgets what's going 71 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:36,290 on it becomes political any time we talk 72 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:38,690 about anything related to government 73 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:41,840 activities the politics has to become 74 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:42,590 part of it 75 00:03:47,259 --> 00:03:44,720 we'll get into more of what the 76 00:03:49,270 --> 00:03:47,269 government night know about bizarre 77 00:03:50,319 --> 00:03:49,280 creatures and extraordinary animals but 78 00:03:54,129 --> 00:03:50,329 later in the show with Nick Redfern 79 00:03:56,770 --> 00:03:54,139 other monsters they must be talking 80 00:04:01,210 --> 00:03:56,780 about me I resemble that remark alright 81 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:01,220 so last week we had Gary Heseltine who's 82 00:04:08,559 --> 00:04:05,480 been involved in UFO research for some 83 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:08,569 years but it's interesting with him and 84 00:04:14,319 --> 00:04:11,090 other people there's always a defining 85 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:14,329 event that triggers your interest so 86 00:04:20,529 --> 00:04:18,250 Gary's case in 1975 he saw a UFO and 87 00:04:24,790 --> 00:04:20,539 simultaneously there was a brief power 88 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:24,800 outage that changed his life so even 89 00:04:29,740 --> 00:04:27,440 while he was a police detective he was 90 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:29,750 checking out UFOs on the site classic 91 00:04:34,930 --> 00:04:32,449 story classic story when I was 11 years 92 00:04:38,140 --> 00:04:34,940 old my brother just happened to leave a 93 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:38,150 copy of flying saucers from outer space 94 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:40,430 by major Donald Kehoe on his coffee 95 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:43,849 table I saw the book and said I didn't 96 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:44,870 talk to him he was at work 97 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:47,690 I asked his wife can I have this book 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:49,490 and she said well you know it's a 99 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:51,410 library book but if you agree to return 100 00:04:55,150 --> 00:04:52,730 it we'll give it to you and I said fine 101 00:04:56,950 --> 00:04:55,160 so I took the book and I did return it 102 00:04:59,800 --> 00:04:56,960 by the way okay in case people are 103 00:05:02,740 --> 00:04:59,810 wondering so the Brooklyn Public Library 104 00:05:04,270 --> 00:05:02,750 will not 400 years after the fact come 105 00:05:06,130 --> 00:05:04,280 after me looking for this book 106 00:05:08,110 --> 00:05:06,140 besides the public domain now so disa 107 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:08,120 matter you can get online that changed 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:09,980 my life started reading about UFOs all 109 00:05:15,430 --> 00:05:12,170 over the place except with Gary 110 00:05:17,950 --> 00:05:15,440 Heseltine what bothers me is all these 111 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:17,960 years he's interested in UFOs but he 112 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:21,290 never went back to checking source 113 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:23,570 material to see if there was a power 114 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:26,450 outage reported then what connection it 115 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:27,650 might have had what was in the 116 00:05:33,280 --> 00:05:30,170 newspapers about it was there a story in 117 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:33,290 the local papers it sounds like he 118 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:35,000 reports the experience but wasn't 119 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:39,290 terribly curious as to the information 120 00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:43,250 to back up what he said it makes you 121 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:45,710 difficult to follow up on that and go 122 00:05:49,420 --> 00:05:47,720 back I mean it's in his local it's in 123 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:49,430 his town there he could go back and look 124 00:05:54,220 --> 00:05:51,410 at the newspaper morgue and see if there 125 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:54,230 are any articles there and and do some 126 00:05:57,850 --> 00:05:55,490 digging into it I'm surprised he hasn't 127 00:05:59,620 --> 00:05:57,860 done that well I gave him a homework 128 00:06:02,800 --> 00:05:59,630 assignment as our listeners remember I 129 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:02,810 said okay Gary we want you to go back 130 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:06,050 and look for the documentation check the 131 00:06:10,810 --> 00:06:08,690 newspaper mork's ask people in your 132 00:06:13,210 --> 00:06:10,820 hometown he did meet somebody at a UFO 133 00:06:17,110 --> 00:06:13,220 convention someone he knew as a child 134 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:17,120 who also saw the UFO also had the power 135 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:20,510 outage now it's not that there have been 136 00:06:25,060 --> 00:06:23,090 sightings where people see UFOs and 137 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:25,070 there is a power outage some people 138 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:27,740 think that UFOs caused a major power 139 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:32,230 outage in New York City in the mid-1960s 140 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:36,410 that's an old story yep because the 141 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:39,560 power substation where the event was 142 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:41,870 triggered UFOs were seen in that 143 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:46,370 vicinity so it's possible I'm not gonna 144 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:49,700 dismiss it but someone who is so 145 00:06:55,780 --> 00:06:53,210 interested in UFOs someone who uses that 146 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:55,790 event as the defining moment that 147 00:07:00,610 --> 00:06:57,650 changes his life 148 00:07:04,689 --> 00:07:00,620 he doesn't go back and check I don't 149 00:07:05,860 --> 00:07:04,699 know what do you say about that maybe 150 00:07:08,159 --> 00:07:05,870 he's afraid to look up the story and 151 00:07:10,689 --> 00:07:08,169 find it's not quite where he remembers 152 00:07:14,529 --> 00:07:10,699 he says that the light of fire under his 153 00:07:15,939 --> 00:07:14,539 tail well I'm doing that deliberately we 154 00:07:19,290 --> 00:07:15,949 have somebody else that was able to come 155 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:19,300 up with from about the same time period 156 00:07:28,180 --> 00:07:23,530 right 7576 time period our former 157 00:07:32,830 --> 00:07:28,190 co-host had a quite a life-changing 158 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:32,840 experience himself and has been asked 159 00:07:37,980 --> 00:07:35,300 for a number of years to to bolster that 160 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:37,990 claim and sure enough friend of his or 161 00:07:44,860 --> 00:07:40,270 associate put him in touch with a 162 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:44,870 Venezuelan investigator who dug up out 163 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:47,930 of the newspaper more dug up a headline 164 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:50,930 story that confirms that there was an 165 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:52,490 event of course some of the details are 166 00:07:58,300 --> 00:07:56,090 a little different but but kudos to some 167 00:08:00,760 --> 00:07:58,310 you know some some digging and some 168 00:08:03,430 --> 00:08:00,770 perseverance well I think you have to 169 00:08:05,890 --> 00:08:03,440 egg people on to find that information I 170 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:05,900 think part of it is maybe there's a fear 171 00:08:10,089 --> 00:08:07,490 and I won't say it's on the part of Gary 172 00:08:12,610 --> 00:08:10,099 Heseltine or our former co-host that 173 00:08:14,469 --> 00:08:12,620 fear that when they find the actual 174 00:08:17,020 --> 00:08:14,479 event written out it won't be what they 175 00:08:19,629 --> 00:08:17,030 remembered their memories may be colored 176 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:19,639 by their life experiences we don't know 177 00:08:25,180 --> 00:08:22,550 but I'm glad it happened in one very 178 00:08:28,270 --> 00:08:25,190 notable case and I hope it's gonna 179 00:08:31,629 --> 00:08:28,280 happen with Gary Heseltine so back in 180 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:31,639 1975 the power outage the UFO sighting 181 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:34,010 our UK listeners I'm sure will be happy 182 00:08:40,269 --> 00:08:37,120 to help out let's see what happens today 183 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:40,279 after a few months we welcome back one 184 00:08:45,730 --> 00:08:43,250 of the most prolific paranormal book 185 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:45,740 authors on the planet I think may be 186 00:08:51,010 --> 00:08:49,490 second only to Brad stager he's a 187 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:51,020 one-man juggernut 188 00:08:53,890 --> 00:08:52,700 and he has a full-time job by the way 189 00:08:55,780 --> 00:08:53,900 I'll tell you that I know it's just 190 00:08:57,430 --> 00:08:55,790 amazing plus he writes for I don't know 191 00:08:59,350 --> 00:08:57,440 how many different online publications 192 00:09:01,240 --> 00:08:59,360 and magazine articles and he's got I 193 00:09:04,870 --> 00:09:01,250 don't know how many blogs and websites 194 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:04,880 the guy must type fast gene either that 195 00:09:08,380 --> 00:09:06,680 or he's on speed or something I have no 196 00:09:10,730 --> 00:09:08,390 idea we have to ask him how he manages 197 00:09:13,670 --> 00:09:10,740 to do this I think the truth about 198 00:09:16,220 --> 00:09:13,680 grant fern is that he does not sleep his 199 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:16,230 new book is called monster files a look 200 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:19,170 inside government secrets and classified 201 00:09:24,019 --> 00:09:21,690 documents on bizarre creatures and 202 00:09:25,220 --> 00:09:24,029 extraordinary animals this is so 203 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:25,230 appropriate because now we're dealing 204 00:09:29,630 --> 00:09:26,970 with government secrecy government 205 00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:29,640 interference government intrusion so we 206 00:09:33,290 --> 00:09:31,560 figured they know everybody we call on 207 00:09:35,630 --> 00:09:33,300 the telephone they can even break into 208 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:35,640 Skype by here you know we thought the 209 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:37,170 Skype communications we do for our 210 00:09:42,199 --> 00:09:40,410 networking that's secure though for 211 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:42,209 nothing is 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prolific 311 00:14:33,019 --> 00:14:31,019 author of recent memory especially about 312 00:14:36,379 --> 00:14:33,029 paranormal subjects it's Nick Redfern 313 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,389 and he's written two books in recent 314 00:14:41,900 --> 00:14:39,360 months about monsters one is called 315 00:14:45,859 --> 00:14:41,910 monster diary on the road in search of 316 00:14:48,350 --> 00:14:45,869 strange and sinister creatures and this 317 00:14:51,319 --> 00:14:48,360 one just out recently called monster 318 00:14:53,989 --> 00:14:51,329 files a look inside government secrets 319 00:14:56,540 --> 00:14:53,999 and classified documents on bizarre 320 00:14:58,819 --> 00:14:56,550 creatures and extraordinary animals now 321 00:15:00,439 --> 00:14:58,829 Nick welcome back to the para cast do 322 00:15:03,109 --> 00:15:00,449 you consider these books companion 323 00:15:04,549 --> 00:15:03,119 volumes or what I never really thought 324 00:15:07,100 --> 00:15:04,559 actually I mean that sort of totally 325 00:15:08,419 --> 00:15:07,110 different because a lot of the I've 326 00:15:10,340 --> 00:15:08,429 written about eight or nine books on 327 00:15:12,379 --> 00:15:10,350 cryptozoology altogether and most of 328 00:15:13,939 --> 00:15:12,389 them are written in the way I do the 329 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:13,949 investigations which is sort of on the 330 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:16,350 road you know so when I'm doing an 331 00:15:20,329 --> 00:15:17,670 investigation just let's say 332 00:15:22,189 --> 00:15:20,339 hypothetically it's Bigfoot you know I 333 00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:22,199 take a lot of notes and if I'm stating 334 00:15:27,259 --> 00:15:24,959 some Motel after the you know every 335 00:15:28,610 --> 00:15:27,269 night I sort of write a bunch of notes 336 00:15:30,199 --> 00:15:28,620 of what happened during the day then 337 00:15:32,179 --> 00:15:30,209 that allows me to sort of write it the 338 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:32,189 relevant chapter further down the line 339 00:15:36,530 --> 00:15:34,050 so most of the books I don't 340 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:36,540 cryptozoology written like a diary on 341 00:15:41,629 --> 00:15:39,240 the road format but this one's different 342 00:15:43,369 --> 00:15:41,639 because it deals with government files 343 00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:43,379 you know it's a bit difficult to sort of 344 00:15:49,129 --> 00:15:45,600 talk about how you sat in a government 345 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:49,139 archives know for day after day so I've 346 00:15:52,519 --> 00:15:50,730 sort of presented this in the way I've 347 00:15:54,559 --> 00:15:52,529 written other books you know where I 348 00:15:57,230 --> 00:15:54,569 talked about you know just the facts so 349 00:16:00,169 --> 00:15:57,240 to speak now in a case like this when 350 00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,179 you talk about government secrets and 351 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:01,920 classified documents was this done 352 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:03,480 through the Freedom of Information Act 353 00:16:08,199 --> 00:16:04,769 you didn't have some guy who lives in 354 00:16:10,819 --> 00:16:08,209 Hong Kong get the information know 355 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:10,829 everything in the book where it's a 356 00:16:15,169 --> 00:16:13,110 reference to an official documents it's 357 00:16:16,819 --> 00:16:15,179 all material that surfaced through the 358 00:16:18,379 --> 00:16:16,829 Freedom of Information Act which I use 359 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:18,389 quite a lot you know to either obtain 360 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:20,370 documents or to 361 00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:21,690 find documents a lot of people don't 362 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:23,940 realize actually already in the public 363 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:25,830 domain I mean that's that's one of the 364 00:16:28,700 --> 00:16:27,150 interesting things you know you can go 365 00:16:31,010 --> 00:16:28,710 along to the National Archives in 366 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:31,020 Maryland and find you know there's 367 00:16:34,970 --> 00:16:32,610 millions of documents and all sorts of 368 00:16:37,010 --> 00:16:34,980 obscure subjects just waiting to be 369 00:16:38,750 --> 00:16:37,020 inspected and they'd be in some case 370 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:38,760 you'd have been Declassified for decades 371 00:16:42,860 --> 00:16:40,980 but you know nobody's really bothered 372 00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:42,870 looking at them and so for that reason 373 00:16:48,530 --> 00:16:46,320 it isn't always a case of just relying 374 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:48,540 on newly surfaced stuff through the 375 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:51,930 Freedom of Information Act also taking a 376 00:16:55,820 --> 00:16:53,370 look at stuff that you know just being 377 00:16:58,490 --> 00:16:55,830 sitting on like a definitive dusty shelf 378 00:17:00,670 --> 00:16:58,500 for 20 years or whatever I'm interested 379 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:00,680 in the musty shelves would you explain 380 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:03,690 what you mean by that just people have a 381 00:17:07,730 --> 00:17:05,370 record of something somewhere or a 382 00:17:10,429 --> 00:17:07,740 journal or a diary and they never looked 383 00:17:11,569 --> 00:17:10,439 at it well I'm talking about government 384 00:17:14,750 --> 00:17:11,579 documents I mean I'll give you a classic 385 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,760 example in the monster files book I 386 00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,319 think it's the second chapter in the 387 00:17:22,189 --> 00:17:18,720 book it deals with British Royal Navy 388 00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,199 and Admiralty files on sea serpents that 389 00:17:27,290 --> 00:17:24,959 go back to the 1830s and through to 390 00:17:30,410 --> 00:17:27,300 about 1890 and this is like a huge 391 00:17:32,510 --> 00:17:30,420 packed duster of not just like newspaper 392 00:17:34,820 --> 00:17:32,520 clippings or report although they are in 393 00:17:37,940 --> 00:17:34,830 there as well or just reports you know 394 00:17:40,490 --> 00:17:37,950 from inexperienced sailors the the vast 395 00:17:42,980 --> 00:17:40,500 majority of them are from captains and 396 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:42,990 crews of military Royal Navy ships in 397 00:17:49,070 --> 00:17:46,410 like 150 160 years ago and somebody was 398 00:17:50,660 --> 00:17:49,080 actively collecting all this material 399 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:50,670 for reasons we don't know you know it 400 00:17:54,860 --> 00:17:52,890 kind of makes him sound like some 19th 401 00:17:57,230 --> 00:17:54,870 century fox mulder or something like 402 00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:57,240 that but what's interesting is that 403 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:00,240 these files were actually Declassified 404 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:03,570 like 25 years ago but nobody had sort of 405 00:18:07,100 --> 00:18:05,610 bothered to do research you know to see 406 00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:07,110 if there was anything on sea serpents 407 00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:08,220 and over the years I'd heard rumors 408 00:18:13,490 --> 00:18:11,460 about sea serpent files you know held by 409 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,500 the the military etc sergeants when 410 00:18:17,900 --> 00:18:15,600 looking at the archives and and found 411 00:18:20,210 --> 00:18:17,910 them and you know it wasn't a case of 412 00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:20,220 them the government saying well we're 413 00:18:23,660 --> 00:18:21,660 not sure if you can have them you know 414 00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,670 that they'd be classified years before 415 00:18:27,890 --> 00:18:26,160 but no we never took the time to see if 416 00:18:29,930 --> 00:18:27,900 the government had a sea serpent file 417 00:18:32,430 --> 00:18:29,940 you know it's just a matter of having 418 00:18:34,170 --> 00:18:32,440 all that documentation sitting there 419 00:18:38,820 --> 00:18:34,180 and no one pays attention because it's 420 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:38,830 kind of screwy no I think most people 421 00:18:42,030 --> 00:18:40,090 just don't bother looking for it because 422 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:42,040 they're looking for other things you 423 00:18:47,490 --> 00:18:44,410 know it's like if I go to the National 424 00:18:49,530 --> 00:18:47,500 Archives in Maryland and look for UFO 425 00:18:51,690 --> 00:18:49,540 material you know I'm not going to pull 426 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:51,700 some file at random looking for 427 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:54,400 something on I don't know the Cuban 428 00:18:58,380 --> 00:18:56,290 Missile Crisis if you like because I'm 429 00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:58,390 not interested in that so why would I go 430 00:19:04,890 --> 00:19:01,260 looking for it and you know sometimes 431 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:04,900 files have names that aren't necessarily 432 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:06,850 relevant to everything that's in there I 433 00:19:10,710 --> 00:19:08,440 mean I can remember going to the 434 00:19:15,990 --> 00:19:10,720 National Archives in one occasion I 435 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:16,000 think it was 2001 and it was just a file 436 00:19:21,060 --> 00:19:18,250 of the American research and development 437 00:19:23,130 --> 00:19:21,070 board from the late 1940s as I dug 438 00:19:24,180 --> 00:19:23,140 through it I actually found a lot of 439 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:24,190 Correspondence 440 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:25,660 there was actually nothing to do the 441 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:27,190 research and development board was all 442 00:19:31,410 --> 00:19:28,960 farming files on foot-and-mouth disease 443 00:19:34,170 --> 00:19:31,420 so you know something that clearly I 444 00:19:35,610 --> 00:19:34,180 think being misfiled you know or maybe 445 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:35,620 it was a part of their work you know who 446 00:19:38,460 --> 00:19:37,030 would have thought that the research and 447 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:38,470 development board would be interested in 448 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:40,450 for the mouth disease but you know if 449 00:19:43,950 --> 00:19:42,370 you're if you've researched that area 450 00:19:45,330 --> 00:19:43,960 wouldn't be but you wouldn't know and it 451 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:45,340 was even in there unless you stumbled 452 00:19:51,330 --> 00:19:48,160 upon it by looking through a totally or 453 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:51,340 seemingly unconnected file yeah but it 454 00:19:55,290 --> 00:19:53,620 doesn't it doesn't surprise me in the 455 00:19:57,420 --> 00:19:55,300 least that in a government file you 456 00:19:59,700 --> 00:19:57,430 should find files about foot-and-mouth 457 00:20:02,750 --> 00:19:59,710 disease I think that pretty much sums up 458 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:02,760 the government and how they how they 459 00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:09,010 deal with certain subjects I think 460 00:20:12,660 --> 00:20:10,720 certainly you know when you've got 461 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:12,670 massive files like some of them at the 462 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:15,250 archives you know stuff does get shared 463 00:20:18,300 --> 00:20:16,690 with other with other papers in the 464 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:18,310 office and somebody miss file something 465 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:20,170 and they're just like well we never 466 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:21,490 gonna need this again you know they just 467 00:20:26,340 --> 00:20:23,770 finally dewayne and somebody stumbles 468 00:20:27,420 --> 00:20:26,350 across in 40 years later and wonders you 469 00:20:29,670 --> 00:20:27,430 know what the hell is it doing here 470 00:20:31,890 --> 00:20:29,680 versus doing there you know there's 471 00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,900 probably I'm just an amazing amount of 472 00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:33,520 information that people just lay as 473 00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,710 you're saying aren't aware of and if we 474 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:36,880 even knew the half of it we'd be 475 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:39,610 probably pretty shocked at at how much 476 00:20:43,140 --> 00:20:41,530 documentation is already there available 477 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:43,150 for people you just have to know the 478 00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:45,170 right search words and search terms and 479 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:48,710 and boy knows what you'll be able to dig 480 00:20:52,510 --> 00:20:50,810 up and Nick you're you're a perfect 481 00:20:54,730 --> 00:20:52,520 example of someone that's willing to do 482 00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:54,740 the work well give you a classic example 483 00:20:58,960 --> 00:20:57,200 you know the FBI's got this website 484 00:21:00,970 --> 00:20:58,970 called the vault which is like a really 485 00:21:03,310 --> 00:21:00,980 good resource to where you can download 486 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:03,320 download literally hundreds of thousands 487 00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:06,110 of pages a formally classified FBI 488 00:21:11,980 --> 00:21:08,060 documents on everything from Marilyn 489 00:21:16,180 --> 00:21:11,990 Monroe to 1932 as gangsters like Bonnie 490 00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,190 and Clyde found immunisations cattle 491 00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,080 mutilations but a lot of people think 492 00:21:23,410 --> 00:21:20,720 because the vault website was only 493 00:21:25,060 --> 00:21:23,420 created like two years ago they they 494 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:25,070 think or assume that that's when the 495 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:26,810 files were released those cattle 496 00:21:32,350 --> 00:21:29,620 mutilations files which are now online 497 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:32,360 at the at the vault they were released I 498 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:34,970 got copies of those in 89 and I shared 499 00:21:40,510 --> 00:21:36,290 it with Tim good who used them in his 500 00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:40,520 1991 books alien liaison so in other 501 00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:42,590 words just because the files have just 502 00:21:47,770 --> 00:21:46,400 been uploaded to the website what people 503 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:47,780 don't realize is that they're actually 504 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:50,690 widely available where for photocopying 505 00:21:55,810 --> 00:21:52,820 by writing to the FBI in the 506 00:22:00,220 --> 00:21:55,820 pre-internet era outstanding 507 00:22:01,900 --> 00:22:00,230 it's amazing god these bureaucratic 508 00:22:06,010 --> 00:22:01,910 things a lot of people don't realize you 509 00:22:08,770 --> 00:22:06,020 know in terms of how file surface when 510 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:08,780 they surface and you know it's not they 511 00:22:11,530 --> 00:22:10,010 don't always just service and they 512 00:22:12,670 --> 00:22:11,540 become publicly visible you know they 513 00:22:15,550 --> 00:22:12,680 could be sitting there for years 514 00:22:17,050 --> 00:22:15,560 these undiscovered treasures just 515 00:22:18,610 --> 00:22:17,060 sitting there and painted on look at the 516 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:18,620 best way I would describe a lot of the 517 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:20,330 files I use in the book was sort of more 518 00:22:26,620 --> 00:22:23,570 like undiscovered raw material rather 519 00:22:28,210 --> 00:22:26,630 than you know sort of filing no request 520 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:28,220 today was more just going on a like a 521 00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:30,650 detective mission to see what had been 522 00:22:34,180 --> 00:22:32,480 released but that we didn't know it been 523 00:22:36,130 --> 00:22:34,190 released we know we have Nick Redfern 524 00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:36,140 joining us with gene and Chris the book 525 00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:38,720 is called monster files so much were to 526 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:41,870 come with gene and Chris you're in the 527 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:48,210 [Music] 528 00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:51,830 the GC and radio network providing the 529 00:22:59,560 --> 00:22:55,009 world with hard-hitting talk radio G C 530 00:23:01,930 --> 00:22:59,570 and great talk radio starts here if you 531 00:23:04,389 --> 00:23:01,940 want to get your website online and you 532 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:04,399 need reliable service first-class 533 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gonna hear stuff 632 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:08,640 here 633 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:17,130 with Jean increasing the power cast we 634 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,010 have Nick Redfern prolific author of so 635 00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:21,840 many books I can't keep track of them I 636 00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,060 have a big question to ask if you're 637 00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:26,460 Nick you have a full-time job you're 638 00:27:31,460 --> 00:27:28,740 working stiff but you still managed to 639 00:27:34,460 --> 00:27:31,470 turn out all these books I think the big 640 00:27:36,380 --> 00:27:34,470 question is hell it's not that difficult 641 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:36,390 because I mean I always sort of try and 642 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:39,690 stick to like an 8 to 5 routine if you 643 00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:42,990 know I do like two books a year which is 644 00:27:48,140 --> 00:27:45,270 sort of what I average then that's a 645 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,150 book every six months well you know if I 646 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:50,340 have a couple of hours free here and 647 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:51,630 there you know I don't sort of like to 648 00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,210 work nights or weekends but if I do have 649 00:27:58,250 --> 00:27:56,580 an hour free here or there you know and 650 00:28:00,290 --> 00:27:58,260 I've got all the raw material and 651 00:28:02,630 --> 00:28:00,300 cranked out a few pages in a couple of 652 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:02,640 hours and you know a couple of hours 653 00:28:07,460 --> 00:28:04,530 every couple of days spread over six 654 00:28:09,650 --> 00:28:07,470 months amounts to you know a lot of time 655 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:09,660 so in that respect it's not that 656 00:28:14,450 --> 00:28:11,250 difficult it's more okay to juggling and 657 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:14,460 prioritizing you know time and projects 658 00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:17,210 well I mean diligent about it too and 659 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:20,520 invincible you know I treat what I do is 660 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:22,290 a job and I don't mean by that but I 661 00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:24,450 it's just a job and I have no interest 662 00:28:27,050 --> 00:28:25,470 in him you know you have to have a 663 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:27,060 passion you know their big passion for 664 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,400 everything I I do for the most part in 665 00:28:34,670 --> 00:28:31,620 terms of writing but I have to be 666 00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:34,680 disciplined and treated like a job in 667 00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:37,320 terms of not slacking off when I've got 668 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:39,480 time to do it and I'm getting down and 669 00:28:43,820 --> 00:28:41,400 doing it rather than saying oh you know 670 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:43,830 I'm gonna watch that show at 8:00 last 671 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:45,570 night no I'll watch that show when I 672 00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:47,730 finished it like no and then laughter 673 00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,320 that dinner or whatever you know and I 674 00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:51,600 found if I don't do that you know you 675 00:28:56,900 --> 00:28:54,480 start to get backed up and things pile 676 00:28:59,540 --> 00:28:56,910 up and you miss a deadline or deadline 677 00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:59,550 looms you know and I find you have to 678 00:29:05,180 --> 00:29:02,520 for me at least you know I work best in 679 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:05,190 a structured fashion you know I know a 680 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:07,170 lot of friends in the writing field they 681 00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:09,000 like to work through the night the 682 00:29:13,670 --> 00:29:10,980 chaotic fashion you know and that's fine 683 00:29:15,290 --> 00:29:13,680 but that's not my way of doing it I 684 00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,300 think some people who do this kind of 685 00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:17,460 writing or any kind of writing what they 686 00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:20,150 do is they wait as long as possible 687 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:21,590 close to the 688 00:29:29,649 --> 00:29:24,770 deadlines and then in various Herculean 689 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:29,659 efforts what they're doing probably 690 00:29:34,269 --> 00:29:31,490 works because they really then got to 691 00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:34,279 focus the mind on it and the quality of 692 00:29:37,779 --> 00:29:36,110 the writing songs yeah I mean I couldn't 693 00:29:40,330 --> 00:29:37,789 do it like that but I do you know I do 694 00:29:41,950 --> 00:29:40,340 know if a blue they get energized you 695 00:29:43,899 --> 00:29:41,960 know by the fact that the deadline is 696 00:29:45,490 --> 00:29:43,909 coming or you know they're on a time 697 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:45,500 limit or whatever and they just sort of 698 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:47,650 you know they just get filled up on 699 00:29:54,340 --> 00:29:51,289 cocaine coca-cola you know coffee 700 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:54,350 whatever they hear finger choices you 701 00:30:00,100 --> 00:29:56,870 know and just crank it out you know so 702 00:30:02,529 --> 00:30:00,110 but I can't do that you know I asked her 703 00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,539 structure and I like to keep specific 704 00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:04,640 hours and whatever you know well don't 705 00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:07,190 change it doesn't ain't broke yeah yeah 706 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:08,840 I sometimes I have people think I live 707 00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:11,210 some sort of weird contrast Thompson 708 00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:14,480 life you know we're crazy in the office 709 00:30:18,940 --> 00:30:16,580 all that crazy stuff just going there 710 00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:18,950 it's not you know I get up I'm a ball 711 00:30:22,659 --> 00:30:20,539 the cornflakes and a hot cup of English 712 00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,669 tea and work from 8:00 till 5:00 you 713 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:24,320 know and stuff and then I do the next 714 00:30:28,510 --> 00:30:26,450 exactly the next thing you know that's 715 00:30:30,340 --> 00:30:28,520 it no sort of sitting around with vodka 716 00:30:32,289 --> 00:30:30,350 bottle physics all o'clock in the day 717 00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:32,299 you know I never get nothing done or 718 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:39,230 you'd become Jim Mosely you worked on 719 00:30:43,389 --> 00:30:41,690 there for 50 years all right I guess she 720 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:43,399 picked everybody on yeah he worked for 721 00:30:49,870 --> 00:30:47,450 50 years in being Jim Mosely that's 722 00:30:54,639 --> 00:30:49,880 amazing in any case let's just get back 723 00:30:56,620 --> 00:30:54,649 to your discovery of these documents now 724 00:31:01,960 --> 00:30:56,630 any of this involved Freedom of 725 00:31:03,639 --> 00:31:01,970 Information inquiries well I mean every 726 00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,649 all the documents in the book of service 727 00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:05,919 through the Freedom of Information Act 728 00:31:11,289 --> 00:31:08,990 so yeah I mean some cases it was where I 729 00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:11,299 applied for the files because I knew 730 00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,710 they existed it because people in 731 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:14,809 reference them other cases you know it 732 00:31:19,810 --> 00:31:18,020 was just a matter of just sort of going 733 00:31:22,210 --> 00:31:19,820 through archives and wondering if there 734 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:22,220 might be something there and you know 80 735 00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:23,870 90 percent the time there isn't ten 736 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:26,000 percent you know you sort of pay dirt or 737 00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,220 whatever so what surprised you the most 738 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,559 in terms of the kind of information you 739 00:31:34,259 --> 00:31:32,720 found is there like one or two cases 740 00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,269 where you can say I didn't 741 00:31:39,959 --> 00:31:36,429 expect to find this wow this is 742 00:31:41,639 --> 00:31:39,969 incredible well yeah I mean one of the 743 00:31:43,169 --> 00:31:41,649 most intriguing documents for me at 744 00:31:45,089 --> 00:31:43,179 least anyway now I know some people 745 00:31:47,549 --> 00:31:45,099 probably entities are going to disagree 746 00:31:50,879 --> 00:31:47,559 with my interpretation but I got hold of 747 00:31:53,009 --> 00:31:50,889 a Rand document which have been prepared 748 00:31:55,999 --> 00:31:53,019 for the US Air Force in the early 749 00:31:58,799 --> 00:31:56,009 nineteen fifties and it was basically 750 00:32:02,129 --> 00:31:58,809 sort of guidelines and directives about 751 00:32:04,409 --> 00:32:02,139 how sort of paranormal phenomena could 752 00:32:07,139 --> 00:32:04,419 be utilized as a tool of psychological 753 00:32:10,979 --> 00:32:07,149 warfare against enemy troops you know 754 00:32:13,949 --> 00:32:10,989 that's to say if you know country a is 755 00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,959 fighting country B and country BAE but 756 00:32:17,819 --> 00:32:15,279 they're troops and people very 757 00:32:19,829 --> 00:32:17,829 superstitious of vampires let's spread 758 00:32:21,659 --> 00:32:19,839 stories and legends of vampires being on 759 00:32:24,749 --> 00:32:21,669 the loose in their territory and you 760 00:32:27,779 --> 00:32:24,759 know a scam nor determine from you know 761 00:32:31,169 --> 00:32:27,789 fighting for specific areas that you 762 00:32:33,959 --> 00:32:31,179 know sort of strategic interest and one 763 00:32:37,199 --> 00:32:33,969 of the things in the file when I read it 764 00:32:40,739 --> 00:32:37,209 immediately so reminded me of the the 765 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:40,749 famous flatwoods monster story of 1952 766 00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:43,450 and flatwoods is a town middle town in 767 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:47,940 West Virginia where in 1952 a number of 768 00:32:52,499 --> 00:32:50,169 towns folk villagers have you want to 769 00:32:54,539 --> 00:32:52,509 term them reported seeing this strange 770 00:32:57,419 --> 00:32:54,549 light come down on a nearby hill that 771 00:33:01,739 --> 00:32:57,429 was sort of shrouded in trees and they 772 00:33:04,019 --> 00:33:01,749 saw this 12-foot tall flashing robotic 773 00:33:06,690 --> 00:33:04,029 type monster hence the name of that was 774 00:33:08,699 --> 00:33:06,700 monster come sort of looming slowly out 775 00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:08,709 of the trees and from the hill and it 776 00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:09,940 was described as said of being about 777 00:33:14,489 --> 00:33:12,129 twelve feet tall and it had a head 778 00:33:17,449 --> 00:33:14,499 shaped like the the image of the ace of 779 00:33:20,219 --> 00:33:17,459 spades card on a on a deck of cards and 780 00:33:23,069 --> 00:33:20,229 he's glowing eyes and he was had these 781 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:23,079 flashing arcs of light etc and like 782 00:33:27,419 --> 00:33:25,450 surges of energy you know coming from 783 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:27,429 its body kind of like dr. Frankenstein 784 00:33:31,109 --> 00:33:28,809 you know bringing the monster to life 785 00:33:32,849 --> 00:33:31,119 that sort of thing and there are 786 00:33:36,180 --> 00:33:32,859 naturally terrified and fled for their 787 00:33:38,339 --> 00:33:36,190 lives well this was 52 now this 788 00:33:40,469 --> 00:33:38,349 particular document was dated roughly a 789 00:33:43,529 --> 00:33:40,479 year before and it includes a very 790 00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:43,539 interesting British Army story about how 791 00:33:48,030 --> 00:33:45,369 during the Second World War when the 792 00:33:51,659 --> 00:33:48,040 British were fighting the Italians 793 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:51,669 in Italy they came up with this sort of 794 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:53,770 a brilliant or crackpot depending which 795 00:34:00,390 --> 00:33:55,890 way you look at it brilliant or crackpot 796 00:34:04,140 --> 00:34:00,400 idea to create like a 12-foot tall demon 797 00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:04,150 and the plan was he would have all these 798 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:05,740 flashing lights on it and these glowing 799 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:09,129 eyes and also a head shaped like an ace 800 00:34:14,099 --> 00:34:11,550 of spades you know in a deck of cards 801 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:14,109 and the idea was to sort of roll it 802 00:34:18,419 --> 00:34:16,090 through the streets at night or pull it 803 00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:18,429 through and have people think that the 804 00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:21,310 devil was visiting them and the idea was 805 00:34:26,430 --> 00:34:24,580 to try and make it look like that if you 806 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:26,440 were allied with the Nazis and the 807 00:34:30,990 --> 00:34:29,590 Italians etc and the Axis powers you 808 00:34:32,460 --> 00:34:31,000 know the devil was going to come for you 809 00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:32,470 and of course in a lot of these little 810 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:34,480 Italian villages in the mountains they 811 00:34:39,330 --> 00:34:36,310 reportedly took a great deal of notice 812 00:34:41,460 --> 00:34:39,340 and came over to help the Allies but 813 00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:41,470 when you read you know the description 814 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:45,369 of this British robotic monster type 815 00:34:50,490 --> 00:34:46,990 thing that they've built the cells gonna 816 00:34:52,590 --> 00:34:50,500 burn yeah it sounds extremely like the 817 00:34:54,930 --> 00:34:52,600 flatwoods monster and of course they the 818 00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:54,940 whole thing with the British contraption 819 00:34:58,410 --> 00:34:56,379 is probably the best way to describe it 820 00:35:00,780 --> 00:34:58,420 he said it was used as a total tool of 821 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:00,790 psychological warfare and that's why it 822 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:03,490 appeared in this Rand report and then a 823 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:05,770 year or two later we see something 824 00:35:11,609 --> 00:35:08,650 eerily similar appearing in flatwoods 825 00:35:13,830 --> 00:35:11,619 now flowers was the little town in like 826 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:13,840 a rural area and that's exactly the sort 827 00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:16,090 of location the British Army tested 828 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:18,700 their device out in as well and of 829 00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:20,410 course you know people said well why 830 00:35:24,180 --> 00:35:22,420 would you do that well you know a small 831 00:35:26,670 --> 00:35:24,190 enclosed environment with a small 832 00:35:29,580 --> 00:35:26,680 population it's very easy to gauge how 833 00:35:32,670 --> 00:35:29,590 quickly Roma spread and belief systems 834 00:35:34,530 --> 00:35:32,680 develop I suspect from reading the file 835 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:34,540 that you know maybe the flatwoods 836 00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:38,170 monster was an outgrowth of this SIOP in 837 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:39,640 the Second World War and it was one 838 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,770 undertaken in flatwoods you know 839 00:35:46,859 --> 00:35:44,200 possibly it may have been nothing to do 840 00:35:48,530 --> 00:35:46,869 directly with the whole UFO issue it may 841 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:48,540 have just been done to try and determine 842 00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:51,130 factors relating to how quickly rumors 843 00:35:55,260 --> 00:35:52,900 spread and belief systems can be 844 00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:55,270 nurtured and and manipulated possibly 845 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,609 well with the flatwoods monster would 846 00:36:00,730 --> 00:35:59,200 only use troubled me about that 847 00:36:02,589 --> 00:36:00,740 particular case is the fact 848 00:36:04,660 --> 00:36:02,599 there was no repetition it seemed to 849 00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:04,670 exist in a universe in and of itself 850 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:07,420 yeah and there was no other place like a 851 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:10,160 really good point because I mean in the 852 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:12,650 50s you had a lot of reports of your 853 00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:14,690 hairy dwarfs around the world and you 854 00:36:19,870 --> 00:36:17,390 know these diminutive aliens and alien 855 00:36:22,660 --> 00:36:19,880 second soil samples and disc-shaped 856 00:36:25,150 --> 00:36:22,670 sources the greys in later years and 857 00:36:26,829 --> 00:36:25,160 flying triangles all over the place but 858 00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:26,839 you write the flatwoods monster was more 859 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:28,430 something that just sort of popped into 860 00:36:31,780 --> 00:36:30,650 our reality and never surfaced to you 861 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:31,790 and you know maybe was actually taken 862 00:36:36,370 --> 00:36:33,770 back to the the warehouse that it was 863 00:36:37,690 --> 00:36:36,380 made who knows that's warehouse 13 864 00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:37,700 ladies and gentlemen Nick Redfern 865 00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:50,000 joining jounin Chris you're in America's 866 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:52,460 number one source for 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00:40:44,180 public currency is a greater menace to 957 00:40:47,049 --> 00:40:45,290 the liberties of the people than a 958 00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:47,059 standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm 959 00:40:50,589 --> 00:40:48,470 placing a silver dollar in a book 960 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:50,599 explains our monetary system call for 961 00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,930 your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time to 962 00:41:00,200 --> 00:40:56,960 understand the system call 866 to 237 963 00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:00,210 that's 800 686 to 237 964 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:04,400 [Music] 965 00:41:10,350 --> 00:41:07,650 this is the author of you up on this 966 00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:10,360 reading and listening to the paragraph 967 00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:12,470 [Music] 968 00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,790 in our previous segment ladies and 969 00:41:20,110 --> 00:41:17,160 gentlemen Nick Redfern revealed to the 970 00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:20,120 listeners of the para caste his infamous 971 00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:22,680 flatwoods monster voice but just 972 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:23,910 specifically about the flatwoods monster 973 00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,250 other and the possibility was some kind 974 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,040 of test what else well the other option 975 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:30,720 is that it really was some sort of 976 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:32,850 monstrous alien creature that is 977 00:41:38,210 --> 00:41:36,450 believed now you know as people who've 978 00:41:40,370 --> 00:41:38,220 read my books or now I do believe in the 979 00:41:42,590 --> 00:41:40,380 existence of a genuine UFO phenomenon 980 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:42,600 but I think it has more paranormal 981 00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,850 leanings to it than necessarily 982 00:41:48,770 --> 00:41:46,260 extraterrestrial but I still believe 983 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,780 it's real you know I don't rule out the 984 00:41:53,900 --> 00:41:51,180 possibility at all that the flatwoods 985 00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,910 monster with some genuinely paranormal 986 00:42:00,020 --> 00:41:56,880 monstrous creature but if it was I just 987 00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,030 find it very eerie coincidental that 988 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:02,460 this British armored device was not only 989 00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,770 the exact same height in descriptions 990 00:42:09,620 --> 00:42:06,720 twelve feet high but he had these same 991 00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:09,630 weird arcing lights on it he sort of 992 00:42:14,090 --> 00:42:12,000 staggered along rather than you know 993 00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:14,100 sort of walked along so to speak the 994 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:18,060 timeframe was just a few years apart so 995 00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,970 those issues lead me to believe we 996 00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:23,760 shouldn't rule out the SIOP angle if you 997 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:26,220 like but you know it could just be one 998 00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:28,170 of life's weird coincidence you know 999 00:42:32,330 --> 00:42:29,700 that it was so close to something that 1000 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:32,340 was genuinely unexplained well I think 1001 00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:34,050 you're onto something myself and you 1002 00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:35,880 know I think that they're just a really 1003 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:37,920 good example of Nick Redfern catching a 1004 00:42:42,740 --> 00:42:40,890 nice pearl you know that was what it was 1005 00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:42,750 I mean this was again this is a FOIA 1006 00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:45,080 documents yeah but really the 1007 00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:47,100 significance of it hadn't been 1008 00:42:51,020 --> 00:42:49,590 necessarily recognized I mean there are 1009 00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:51,030 things in there that might be of 1010 00:42:54,260 --> 00:42:52,590 interest to you know people who are 1011 00:42:57,260 --> 00:42:54,270 interested in how religions being used 1012 00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:57,270 because the restorer is about how the 1013 00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,920 Allies in the Second World War 1014 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:00,720 excuse me at the end of the Second World 1015 00:43:05,540 --> 00:43:02,450 War into the early years of the Cold War 1016 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:05,550 spread stories to the KGB and the 1017 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:08,370 Russians about how supposedly the Virgin 1018 00:43:12,410 --> 00:43:10,530 Mary had been seen following how high 1019 00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,420 troops you know as if to try and impress 1020 00:43:17,329 --> 00:43:15,060 upon the Allies that God was on the side 1021 00:43:19,700 --> 00:43:17,339 of the West and not the Russians 1022 00:43:21,769 --> 00:43:19,710 so we're like weird stuff like that in 1023 00:43:25,009 --> 00:43:21,779 the file that was less interest to me 1024 00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:25,019 but you know somebody who researches how 1025 00:43:28,759 --> 00:43:26,849 religion can be used as a tool of 1026 00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:28,769 manipulation they would probably find 1027 00:43:33,049 --> 00:43:30,359 that aspect of the file interesting 1028 00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:33,059 there's also the correlation to or some 1029 00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:35,609 of our I think long range Rangers and 1030 00:43:41,539 --> 00:43:38,430 Special Ops forces in Vietnam use the 1031 00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,549 Spade cards out of a playing card deck 1032 00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,160 and and evidently the Spade in 1033 00:43:49,339 --> 00:43:46,319 Vietnamese culture is also kind of a 1034 00:43:51,950 --> 00:43:49,349 evil eye or a you know a very negative 1035 00:43:54,049 --> 00:43:51,960 cause any negative connotation and I 1036 00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:54,059 find that there's another interesting 1037 00:43:58,219 --> 00:43:56,609 kind of parallel or correlation there 1038 00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:58,229 yeah well I actually mentioned this in 1039 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:00,210 the book this particular file but I also 1040 00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:02,729 got hold up it talks about heavy ace of 1041 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:06,119 spades card was sort of seen as this 1042 00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:07,890 he's like a deadly omen if you find an 1043 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:09,599 ace of spades cards and so the troops 1044 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,369 would leave them you know where the 1045 00:44:14,839 --> 00:44:13,200 where the North Vietnamese would find 1046 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,849 them and get terrified by them 1047 00:44:20,390 --> 00:44:17,700 essentially so you know the very fact 1048 00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:20,400 that psy ops personnel we're already 1049 00:44:26,989 --> 00:44:22,920 employing or you know ladies were 1050 00:44:28,759 --> 00:44:26,999 employing the the ace of spades image it 1051 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:28,769 makes it more understandable why that 1052 00:44:33,769 --> 00:44:31,170 might also been employed you know in 1053 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:33,779 flatwoods as well but of course that's 1054 00:44:37,819 --> 00:44:35,849 the case I guess is officially listed as 1055 00:44:39,650 --> 00:44:37,829 unsolved isn't it well yeah I mean 1056 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:39,660 what's interesting is that I actually 1057 00:44:43,459 --> 00:44:42,089 found a bunch of material on the 1058 00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,469 flatwoods monster at the National 1059 00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:46,140 Archives in Maryland and what it was it 1060 00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:47,460 was a collection of newspaper clippings 1061 00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,359 on the case that the the US Air Force 1062 00:44:56,059 --> 00:44:53,099 Office of Special Operations had put 1063 00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:56,069 together in the days weeks and months 1064 00:45:01,400 --> 00:44:58,890 immediately afterwards so somebody was 1065 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:01,410 clearly taken an interest what the media 1066 00:45:06,620 --> 00:45:04,410 and like the early UFO fanzines of the 1067 00:45:08,269 --> 00:45:06,630 era was saying about the case which I 1068 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:08,279 find that interesting as well you know 1069 00:45:13,219 --> 00:45:10,410 that it wasn't the one sort of file on 1070 00:45:15,259 --> 00:45:13,229 the event it was a file on what the 1071 00:45:16,969 --> 00:45:15,269 media and the people like us at the time 1072 00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:16,979 was saying about it their opinions and 1073 00:45:21,729 --> 00:45:19,319 ideas on what was actually seen oh they 1074 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:21,739 just love to know about people like us 1075 00:45:25,549 --> 00:45:23,609 well you know it's funny you should say 1076 00:45:28,099 --> 00:45:25,559 that because you know all this stuff 1077 00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:28,109 that's going on now with the NSA and 1078 00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:29,849 things like that people often forget 1079 00:45:34,570 --> 00:45:31,310 that one of the easiest 1080 00:45:36,970 --> 00:45:34,580 to to monitor a community like the UFO 1081 00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:36,980 community is just to go along to 1082 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:39,350 conferences and read books because 1083 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:42,410 invariably and even I'm you know I put 1084 00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:44,210 my hands up to this when I uncover stuff 1085 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:47,180 I write about it you know so it would be 1086 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:49,010 easiest way to to monitor what's going 1087 00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:50,450 on in the community and the latest 1088 00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:52,310 revelations is just to what read 1089 00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:53,750 everybody's blogs you know you don't 1090 00:45:58,420 --> 00:45:55,280 have to do it underhanded you just click 1091 00:45:59,560 --> 00:45:58,430 on you know Nick Redferns blogs and hey 1092 00:46:01,090 --> 00:45:59,570 you know I've just come back from the 1093 00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:01,100 National Archives and found this you 1094 00:46:06,100 --> 00:46:03,830 know sometimes you know the easiest way 1095 00:46:07,900 --> 00:46:06,110 of watching someone is actually one of 1096 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:07,910 the most profitable it's interesting how 1097 00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:10,610 so much of what we do is really online 1098 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:13,100 well yeah I mean that's Athena people's 1099 00:46:18,070 --> 00:46:15,170 people say there many black above these 1100 00:46:20,650 --> 00:46:18,080 issues and we'll know because everything 1101 00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:20,660 I uncover for the most part I publish 1102 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:22,400 you know they've only gotta wait six 1103 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:23,570 months they're gonna see in a book 1104 00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:26,960 anyway well that leads us to a question 1105 00:46:32,500 --> 00:46:30,080 by talking meatsuit who's one of our 1106 00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:32,510 recent additions at forum dr. Peric 1107 00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:35,540 ascom and he's asking have you ever 1108 00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:37,340 caught any flak Nick from the powers 1109 00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:39,200 that be quote-unquote for writing in any 1110 00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:40,730 of your books and I guess you say no 1111 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:43,430 well no but the main reason is because I 1112 00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:45,650 use stuff that's lady being released 1113 00:46:49,570 --> 00:46:47,390 through the Freedom of Information Act I 1114 00:46:51,610 --> 00:46:49,580 mean I castigated in a couple of my 1115 00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:51,620 books people like Gary McKinnon they're 1116 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:54,020 idiots you know if you're gonna if 1117 00:46:58,930 --> 00:46:56,930 you're gonna hack into the computer 1118 00:47:01,090 --> 00:46:58,940 systems of a government agency you know 1119 00:47:03,790 --> 00:47:01,100 you deserve what you get I don't have 1120 00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:03,800 any sympathy for people who do that you 1121 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:06,530 know there's ways and means to get 1122 00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:08,570 information and I do it through the 1123 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:10,520 Freedom of Information Act and you know 1124 00:47:16,210 --> 00:47:13,340 that's how I acquire information legally 1125 00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:16,220 and via you know requesting files and if 1126 00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,720 they serve this and they can be released 1127 00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:20,720 I quote them in a book well this dude 1128 00:47:26,590 --> 00:47:23,900 who has come forth to admit that he 1129 00:47:30,370 --> 00:47:26,600 disclosed to the press this information 1130 00:47:32,650 --> 00:47:30,380 about the NSA scooping up metadata about 1131 00:47:34,510 --> 00:47:32,660 telephone calls do you think he was 1132 00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:34,520 being a fool to come forward is he 1133 00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,550 looking for glory what's he looking for 1134 00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:38,960 well I have no idea and I think we'll 1135 00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:41,540 learn more as this all goes on I mean 1136 00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:44,700 what I would say you know is that 1137 00:47:49,849 --> 00:47:47,910 not sure to what extent you know blanket 1138 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:49,859 watching everybody actually achieves 1139 00:47:55,550 --> 00:47:53,310 anything you know or the entire audience 1140 00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,560 of loyal customers that Verizon I'm not 1141 00:48:00,980 --> 00:47:57,420 sure that how that can actually achieve 1142 00:48:02,839 --> 00:48:00,990 anything you know I think I think 1143 00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:02,849 there's still a good argument to be said 1144 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:06,119 for you know like in the 40s 50s in the 1145 00:48:12,349 --> 00:48:08,730 Cold War the raw intelligence gathering 1146 00:48:14,290 --> 00:48:12,359 data still has a large role to play you 1147 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:14,300 know it's I kind of view it similar to 1148 00:48:19,250 --> 00:48:16,770 you know just drawing parallels we have 1149 00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:19,260 wars have been fought over the years you 1150 00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:21,060 know I think there's still there's still 1151 00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:23,160 room for raw intelligence data rather 1152 00:48:29,450 --> 00:48:26,579 than blanketing everybody now have you 1153 00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,460 ever been I might ask this question in 1154 00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:31,020 all the years you've been doing this 1155 00:48:34,339 --> 00:48:32,550 sort of research and publishing 1156 00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:34,349 information about possible government 1157 00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:36,630 documents and stuff like that as anyone 1158 00:48:43,339 --> 00:48:38,550 from the government come over to say hi 1159 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:43,349 Nick what's going on no well again and I 1160 00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:48,210 think that happens when people you know 1161 00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:51,240 are doing stuff that potentially looking 1162 00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:52,560 into things that are still classified 1163 00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,619 you know I write about stuff after I've 1164 00:48:59,569 --> 00:48:57,839 legally obtained it through the Freedom 1165 00:49:02,270 --> 00:48:59,579 of Information Act you know I think 1166 00:49:03,950 --> 00:49:02,280 that's why possibly I mean when the 1167 00:49:06,140 --> 00:49:03,960 whole Roswell thing kicked off and 1168 00:49:08,059 --> 00:49:06,150 people like Bill Moore will watch very 1169 00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:08,069 closely that was because they were 1170 00:49:13,099 --> 00:49:11,339 digging into something that was you know 1171 00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:13,109 potentially sensitive the whole Roswell 1172 00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:15,390 issue and you know he got these visits 1173 00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:18,030 and you know contacts from military 1174 00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,400 people insiders and you know all these 1175 00:49:23,210 --> 00:49:22,079 questionable documents and things like 1176 00:49:25,819 --> 00:49:23,220 that which I think was a lottery 1177 00:49:28,130 --> 00:49:25,829 probably designed to deflect him into 1178 00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:28,140 other areas and you know into where he 1179 00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:31,800 could be safely control etc but I mean 1180 00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:33,480 when you're doing things through the 1181 00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:35,910 Freedom of Information Act you know that 1182 00:49:39,620 --> 00:49:37,650 there's one little thing to remember one 1183 00:49:41,660 --> 00:49:39,630 simple fact it's stuff that the 1184 00:49:44,059 --> 00:49:41,670 government's let you see and that's what 1185 00:49:46,370 --> 00:49:44,069 I use so you know that that's probably 1186 00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:46,380 why you know I don't get I don't get 1187 00:49:50,660 --> 00:49:48,690 flax that brings us to another question 1188 00:49:53,569 --> 00:49:50,670 this one's from burnt State who's one of 1189 00:49:56,300 --> 00:49:53,579 our most active posters at forum dr. 1190 00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,310 Peric ascom and he says does the fact 1191 00:50:00,500 --> 00:49:58,200 that the government spends time Reese 1192 00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:00,510 monsters point to an enormous waste of 1193 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:03,750 tax dollars or is there some odd logic 1194 00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:05,610 at work that says every rock should be 1195 00:50:09,620 --> 00:50:07,470 looked under and every lake monster 1196 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:09,630 sighting investigated because you never 1197 00:50:14,330 --> 00:50:11,490 know what is either connected to the 1198 00:50:16,460 --> 00:50:14,340 enemy or will give you potential power 1199 00:50:18,020 --> 00:50:16,470 over the enemy what do you think is 1200 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,030 behind government investigations of 1201 00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:20,640 pyramids Noah's Ark what such a very 1202 00:50:26,020 --> 00:50:22,800 good question because you know we have 1203 00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,030 this issue where governments do often 1204 00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:28,800 investigate weird stuff and I think a 1205 00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:30,840 lot of the times it is purely and simply 1206 00:50:36,020 --> 00:50:33,990 because you know the money is available 1207 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:36,030 to do it and one particular project he's 1208 00:50:42,110 --> 00:50:38,490 seen as being relevant I mean I'll give 1209 00:50:43,850 --> 00:50:42,120 you a classic example in Wales you know 1210 00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:43,860 which is right next door to England 1211 00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:46,080 where I'm originally from just before 1212 00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:47,940 the outbreak of the first world war when 1213 00:50:53,590 --> 00:50:50,310 it was clear that war was going to break 1214 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:53,600 out with Germany the British Royal Navy 1215 00:50:59,080 --> 00:50:57,170 came up with this idea to train seals 1216 00:51:02,450 --> 00:50:59,090 there would be strapped with explosives 1217 00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:02,460 to basically swim a high speed towards 1218 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:04,230 German ships you know and then when they 1219 00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:05,970 would get close to it 1220 00:51:10,700 --> 00:51:08,910 the bombs attached to it would be glad 1221 00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:10,710 to mated you know it's basically a case 1222 00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:13,110 of the Germans not looking for seals 1223 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:14,610 swimming under the water but it's 1224 00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:15,930 actually looking for another ship so 1225 00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:18,060 they'll be taken by surprise I'll tell 1226 00:51:22,550 --> 00:51:20,280 you what we will be taken by surprise if 1227 00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,560 we don't do this they'll cut us off and 1228 00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:24,960 ceremoniously Nick Redfern joining Jean 1229 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explode them underneath German warships 1285 00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:33,460 now I bet you they didn't get permission 1286 00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:38,140 from the ASPCA or somebody what they did 1287 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:40,150 they actually because they didn't want 1288 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:42,370 the Germans to find out they undertook 1289 00:54:48,060 --> 00:54:45,310 like test experiments and tried to train 1290 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:48,070 the seals in a North Wales lake called 1291 00:54:55,020 --> 00:54:51,730 Lake valour and this was like 1912 1913 1292 00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:55,030 and the war broke out in 1914 so they 1293 00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:56,890 had all these train sales and you know 1294 00:55:00,990 --> 00:54:59,380 military people who sort of befriended 1295 00:55:02,580 --> 00:55:01,000 them you know and try to teach them 1296 00:55:04,980 --> 00:55:02,590 where they'd have these just wooden 1297 00:55:07,230 --> 00:55:04,990 planks or logs attached to them you know 1298 00:55:09,060 --> 00:55:07,240 in place just as dummies instead of the 1299 00:55:11,070 --> 00:55:09,070 bombs and they would try to get them to 1300 00:55:14,700 --> 00:55:11,080 target just little rowing boats out in 1301 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:14,710 the lake but word got out that something 1302 00:55:18,420 --> 00:55:16,810 weird was going on in the lake as you 1303 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:18,430 can imagine II would you know the locals 1304 00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:19,810 were wondering what was going on seeing 1305 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:22,060 all these soldiers turn up you know and 1306 00:55:26,850 --> 00:55:24,010 releasing seals into the lake and then 1307 00:55:30,930 --> 00:55:26,860 sort of skulking around after darkness 1308 00:55:32,490 --> 00:55:30,940 or whatever and so when the the project 1309 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:32,500 actually collapsed because the seals 1310 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:35,050 just couldn't be trained well enough but 1311 00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:37,930 when the project collapsed to protect 1312 00:55:42,270 --> 00:55:40,690 the secrecy roundish project when the 1313 00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:42,280 military left they started spreading 1314 00:55:47,610 --> 00:55:44,590 rumors that there were like monsters in 1315 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:47,620 in like bala one that actually were with 1316 00:55:51,390 --> 00:55:49,930 these full-size seals swimming around 1317 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:51,400 that they'd let loose and couldn't 1318 00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:54,430 recapture so in other words sometimes 1319 00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,240 government files on monsters are open to 1320 00:56:02,820 --> 00:56:00,400 do background research to allow them 1321 00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,830 then to create these cover stories you 1322 00:56:05,790 --> 00:56:04,240 know you can only create a cover story 1323 00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:05,800 about like monsters if you if you 1324 00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:07,660 understand some background on like 1325 00:56:11,550 --> 00:56:09,100 monsters so 1326 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:11,560 acting data on the Loch Ness monster and 1327 00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:13,330 what it allegedly looks like how it 1328 00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:16,810 swims etc then allows you to create this 1329 00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:20,050 trouble story which seems plausible so 1330 00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:22,300 that's it's not often that you know very 1331 00:56:25,740 --> 00:56:24,400 often that they're investigating 1332 00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:25,750 monsters or such they're looking as a 1333 00:56:30,690 --> 00:56:28,840 wait and a means to use the data if you 1334 00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:30,700 like in some sort of obscure operation 1335 00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:33,340 like this one now in your a particular 1336 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:35,980 research did you get any information on 1337 00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:37,930 how the government is regarding all 1338 00:56:42,540 --> 00:56:40,780 these cases well you know I mean I think 1339 00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:42,550 we always need to remember that people 1340 00:56:46,530 --> 00:56:43,900 think of the government's are some 1341 00:56:48,750 --> 00:56:46,540 unified entity I mean one of the things 1342 00:56:51,180 --> 00:56:48,760 I found and I think I found this more 1343 00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:51,190 often in this book than in any other 1344 00:56:55,290 --> 00:56:53,530 book I've written is that many of the 1345 00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:55,300 cases and the things under investigation 1346 00:57:00,480 --> 00:56:58,210 were undertaken by little groups and 1347 00:57:02,610 --> 00:57:00,490 projects within agencies you know it 1348 00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:02,620 wasn't like there's a government project 1349 00:57:06,900 --> 00:57:05,200 to investigate monsters you know or an 1350 00:57:07,590 --> 00:57:06,910 agency that does if there's nothing like 1351 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:07,600 that at all 1352 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:09,370 there are small groups of people within 1353 00:57:13,260 --> 00:57:11,770 agencies that you know may have thought 1354 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:13,270 it's a good idea to spread a lake 1355 00:57:17,250 --> 00:57:15,490 monster story to hide a classified 1356 00:57:18,900 --> 00:57:17,260 submarine experiments in a lake which 1357 00:57:20,250 --> 00:57:18,910 actually did go on you know we're 1358 00:57:22,350 --> 00:57:20,260 looking at think tanks and little 1359 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:22,360 projects rather than a unified 1360 00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:24,370 government agency and I think sometimes 1361 00:57:28,530 --> 00:57:26,260 you know they took the lead from other 1362 00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:28,540 agencies somebody was successful in 1363 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:30,130 doing this or in successful in doing 1364 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:32,410 that and so they thought well you know 1365 00:57:38,370 --> 00:57:36,250 we'll do that and see if we can sort of 1366 00:57:40,290 --> 00:57:38,380 spoke the enemy by by spreading stories 1367 00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,300 of monsters on the loose or whatever 1368 00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:41,920 that's the important thing you know in 1369 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:43,840 relation to what the person who asked 1370 00:57:47,550 --> 00:57:46,450 the question talked about is a lot of 1371 00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:47,560 the files are monsters aren't 1372 00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:49,990 necessarily investigations they're how 1373 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:53,080 the monster mix can be exploited doesn't 1374 00:57:57,420 --> 00:57:55,210 that apply the UFOs to some degree to 1375 00:57:59,760 --> 00:57:57,430 maybe to release some information to 1376 00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:59,770 spook people into thinking more is going 1377 00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:03,040 on than meets the eye or maybe spook 1378 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:04,840 foreign powers that we have secret 1379 00:58:09,450 --> 00:58:06,970 weapons that we don't have yeah I think 1380 00:58:12,690 --> 00:58:09,460 some point during the Cold War the penny 1381 00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,700 drop that the entire range of paranormal 1382 00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:14,880 phenomena could be used for military 1383 00:58:19,740 --> 00:58:17,200 capital you know I talked about that ran 1384 00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:19,750 documents earlier and how that mentioned 1385 00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:21,550 that you know the military was spreading 1386 00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:22,960 stories at the virgin 1387 00:58:28,170 --> 00:58:25,780 was on the side of the Allies etc in the 1388 00:58:30,359 --> 00:58:28,180 war and in immediate years in the Cold 1389 00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:30,369 War you know to try and ruffle the 1390 00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:31,839 feathers of the Russians and prior to 1391 00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:34,809 that the German so you know we have the 1392 00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,910 Virgin Mary being used in a 1393 00:58:40,770 --> 00:58:38,559 psychological warfare operation we have 1394 00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:40,780 this sort of robotic think of flatwoods 1395 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:43,839 potentially we have the lake Bala lake 1396 00:58:49,230 --> 00:58:46,450 monster story you know we have UFO 1397 00:58:51,900 --> 00:58:49,240 stories where I'm pretty sure that some 1398 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:51,910 cases you know I used and spread to 1399 00:58:56,250 --> 00:58:54,970 cover up tests of classified military 1400 00:58:58,799 --> 00:58:56,260 aircraft you know if you've ones 1401 00:59:00,540 --> 00:58:58,809 inadvertently seen by mistake you know 1402 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:00,550 you slip a few stories out into the 1403 00:59:04,740 --> 00:59:02,290 local media about little green men and 1404 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:04,750 it all the original site he gets buried 1405 00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,450 in this massive you know hysteria about 1406 00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:09,520 aliens invading or whatever it's 1407 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:10,930 interesting you should bring up using 1408 00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,130 religious miracles as a potential psyops 1409 00:59:19,109 --> 00:59:17,200 weapon I remember talking to a 1410 00:59:21,450 --> 00:59:19,119 french-canadian guy back in the early 1411 00:59:24,690 --> 00:59:21,460 90s named Serge mone asked and he had 1412 00:59:26,190 --> 00:59:24,700 this just a rather shrill warning for 1413 00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,200 everybody that there was this Project 1414 00:59:33,089 --> 00:59:28,240 Blue Beam and that we had the technology 1415 00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:33,099 to create a huge sky sized hologram of 1416 00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:34,290 whatever you know named 1417 00:59:39,809 --> 00:59:36,160 fill-in-the-blank for your religious 1418 00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:39,819 figure then that using certain modulated 1419 00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:42,160 microwaves they could actually have that 1420 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:44,680 hologram talk to you and use your name 1421 00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,530 and stuff did you ever run across any 1422 00:59:54,059 --> 00:59:50,319 sort of validation about a program such 1423 00:59:55,710 --> 00:59:54,069 as Project Blue Beam well I mean babies 1424 00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:55,720 sort of like you know the ultimate 1425 01:00:00,930 --> 00:59:57,640 technology where you know we're talking 1426 01:00:03,870 --> 01:00:00,940 about highly sophisticated holograms you 1427 01:00:05,730 --> 01:00:03,880 know to achieve like a ruse in the sky 1428 01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,740 for you like you know a fabrication that 1429 01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:07,599 people will believe is like a second 1430 01:00:12,450 --> 01:00:09,760 coming I didn't find anything that 1431 01:00:14,730 --> 01:00:12,460 advanced but again through the Freedom 1432 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:14,740 of Information Act there actually files 1433 01:00:19,650 --> 01:00:17,410 that in a strange roundabout way to 1434 01:00:22,349 --> 01:00:19,660 actually relate to the Cuban Missile 1435 01:00:24,089 --> 01:00:22,359 Crisis of 1962 and again these are 1436 01:00:26,339 --> 01:00:24,099 declassified files through the Freedom 1437 01:00:28,700 --> 01:00:26,349 of Information Act immensely reference 1438 01:00:31,140 --> 01:00:28,710 in there a very obscure plant 1439 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:31,150 established by a man named Major General 1440 01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:32,410 Edward Lansdale 1441 01:00:36,839 --> 01:00:34,990 lancedale was an expert like a brilliant 1442 01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:36,849 brain and mind in 1443 01:00:41,700 --> 01:00:39,190 psychological warfare and he came up 1444 01:00:45,059 --> 01:00:41,710 with a plan that sounds like a very 1445 01:00:46,979 --> 01:00:45,069 early incarnation of Project Blue Beam 1446 01:00:48,950 --> 01:00:46,989 bear in mind this is the early 60s and 1447 01:00:51,870 --> 01:00:48,960 cause the technology you know was fairly 1448 01:00:55,979 --> 01:00:51,880 just primitive back then but his idea 1449 01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:55,989 was to essentially approach stealthily 1450 01:01:01,710 --> 01:00:58,960 the human coastline and have an aircraft 1451 01:01:03,509 --> 01:01:01,720 with each engine specifically muffled 1452 01:01:06,059 --> 01:01:03,519 and modified so you have like a low 1453 01:01:09,059 --> 01:01:06,069 sound signature and have it flying back 1454 01:01:11,609 --> 01:01:09,069 and forth through clouds have like a 1455 01:01:13,979 --> 01:01:11,619 loud speaker very very loud modified 1456 01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:13,989 speaker saying this is the voice of God 1457 01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:16,779 we I tell the Cuban people to lay down 1458 01:01:21,900 --> 01:01:19,900 their weapons and renounce Fidel Castro 1459 01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:21,910 and they also had an idea that they were 1460 01:01:26,219 --> 01:01:24,220 sending like a little black painted 1461 01:01:27,479 --> 01:01:26,229 boats you know that wouldn't be seen but 1462 01:01:29,549 --> 01:01:27,489 he would have like a large powerful 1463 01:01:32,249 --> 01:01:29,559 projector that could project an image of 1464 01:01:33,749 --> 01:01:32,259 Jesus onto the clouds at the same time 1465 01:01:36,089 --> 01:01:33,759 that this voice was coming from the 1466 01:01:38,009 --> 01:01:36,099 clouds then of course you know you would 1467 01:01:39,390 --> 01:01:38,019 have to be the weather would have to be 1468 01:01:40,769 --> 01:01:39,400 right the clouds it'd have to be there 1469 01:01:42,839 --> 01:01:40,779 you'd have to try and ensure that 1470 01:01:46,259 --> 01:01:42,849 nothing went wrong that the loudspeaker 1471 01:01:47,969 --> 01:01:46,269 word etc etc and ultimately it wasn't 1472 01:01:50,459 --> 01:01:47,979 followed through because it was just 1473 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:50,469 seen as as too bizarre you know even for 1474 01:01:55,529 --> 01:01:52,690 the psyops people but when you look at 1475 01:01:59,039 --> 01:01:55,539 the basic outline of what was planned by 1476 01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,049 Lansdale namely to you know fabricate an 1477 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:01,359 image of Jesus in the sky with an 1478 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:02,410 attendance 1479 01:02:07,799 --> 01:02:05,890 you know audio voice saying you know lay 1480 01:02:10,140 --> 01:02:07,809 down your arms and follow me so to speak 1481 01:02:12,209 --> 01:02:10,150 the premise if you like is the same 1482 01:02:13,950 --> 01:02:12,219 we're just not talking about any sort of 1483 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:13,960 advanced technology but because he was 1484 01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:16,089 so primitive it was like there's just no 1485 01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:17,410 way we're gonna get away with this you 1486 01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:19,210 know and it was cancelled but but again 1487 01:02:24,180 --> 01:02:21,400 that's in the official files you know 1488 01:02:25,859 --> 01:02:24,190 does he validates the idea of Project 1489 01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:25,869 Blue Beam well no he doesn't but you 1490 01:02:29,489 --> 01:02:27,910 could make the argument that if 1491 01:02:30,029 --> 01:02:29,499 something like that was going on 50 1492 01:02:32,249 --> 01:02:30,039 years ago 1493 01:02:34,620 --> 01:02:32,259 is something still being addressed along 1494 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:34,630 similar lines today but in highly more 1495 01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:37,690 highly advanced fashion you know I've 1496 01:02:43,499 --> 01:02:41,049 heard some pretty informed sources tell 1497 01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:43,509 me that we had developed and utilized 1498 01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:45,670 and actually used in the field during 1499 01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:47,369 Desert Storm some very sophisticated 1500 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:49,220 acoustic 1501 01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:52,410 psychological weapons platforms that 1502 01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:54,330 literally drove some of the frontline 1503 01:02:59,120 --> 01:02:57,240 troops of the Iraqis crazy and the 1504 01:03:02,300 --> 01:02:59,130 footage of them coming out and just 1505 01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:02,310 hugging the feet of Marines and army 1506 01:03:07,310 --> 01:03:05,850 personnel that wasn't by accident that 1507 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:07,320 we actually elicited that sort of 1508 01:03:11,780 --> 01:03:09,930 response from these tubes well one of 1509 01:03:13,820 --> 01:03:11,790 the things I mean I can which I'm 1510 01:03:15,710 --> 01:03:13,830 mentioning the bulky monster files I 1511 01:03:19,490 --> 01:03:15,720 mean I know you'll know the name of Gabe 1512 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:19,500 foul Dez Gabe was his New Mexico State 1513 01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:21,330 Police officer in the 70s he was heavily 1514 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:24,570 involved in studying New Mexico base to 1515 01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:26,850 cattle mutilation events will tell our 1516 01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:29,730 listeners more about who that guy is and 1517 01:03:35,230 --> 01:03:31,830 about what he did in our next segment 1518 01:03:45,570 --> 01:03:35,240 with Gene Chris and the one and the only 1519 01:03:50,890 --> 01:03:48,420 [Music] 1520 01:03:52,630 --> 01:03:50,900 attack of the rock ODEs has been 1521 01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:52,640 well-received by critics and readers 1522 01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:54,560 alike it's a thrill a minute story 1523 01:03:59,740 --> 01:03:57,410 you'll never forget a former US military 1524 01:04:02,020 --> 01:03:59,750 intelligence officer is haunted by 1525 01:04:04,570 --> 01:04:02,030 intense dreams about a beautiful woman 1526 01:04:07,420 --> 01:04:04,580 pleading for his help after a terrible 1527 01:04:09,550 --> 01:04:07,430 battle in outer space but the dreams 1528 01:04:11,350 --> 01:04:09,560 turn out to be true and thrust him into 1529 01:04:14,230 --> 01:04:11,360 a telepathic love affair with a woman 1530 01:04:16,570 --> 01:04:14,240 whose faraway planet is intent on 1531 01:04:19,390 --> 01:04:16,580 destroying the earth and now the 1532 01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:19,400 gripping tale continues in the 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01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:25,460 there's a new mexico state police 1617 01:08:29,709 --> 01:08:27,230 officer who was heavily involved in 1618 01:08:34,180 --> 01:08:29,719 investigating cattle mutilations in New 1619 01:08:36,849 --> 01:08:34,190 Mexico in the mid to late 1970s and I 1620 01:08:39,519 --> 01:08:36,859 interviewed or met with Gabe in late 1621 01:08:42,129 --> 01:08:39,529 2009 me and Greg Bishop we're driving up 1622 01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:42,139 to a conference up in angel fire near 1623 01:08:47,169 --> 01:08:44,210 Mexico and Craig was good friends with 1624 01:08:48,519 --> 01:08:47,179 Gabe who died a year or two ago and so 1625 01:08:50,499 --> 01:08:48,529 Greg Feilhaber said hey you know you 1626 01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:50,509 want to meet for lunch we're stopping 1627 01:08:55,030 --> 01:08:52,370 off somewhere on the way through so we 1628 01:08:56,620 --> 01:08:55,040 we met with Gabe in Albuquerque and had 1629 01:08:59,260 --> 01:08:56,630 lunch with him and he told a really 1630 01:09:02,349 --> 01:08:59,270 interesting story about how he'd been 1631 01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:02,359 told by military personnel that the 1632 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:04,370 military for some bizarre reason have 1633 01:09:08,950 --> 01:09:06,770 been using holographic technology to 1634 01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:08,960 create imagery of bigfoot-type creatures 1635 01:09:14,140 --> 01:09:12,380 and the answer that Gabe got as to why 1636 01:09:16,539 --> 01:09:14,150 this was being done was because he was 1637 01:09:18,010 --> 01:09:16,549 supposedly too frightened superstitious 1638 01:09:19,629 --> 01:09:18,020 people from sort of hanging around 1639 01:09:21,820 --> 01:09:19,639 military bases if you could project 1640 01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:21,830 suddenly this eight-foot tall hairy 1641 01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,319 glowing eye monster you know in their 1642 01:09:28,749 --> 01:09:26,480 immediate vicinity and have them sort of 1643 01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:28,759 haul ass out of there that was the idea 1644 01:09:32,470 --> 01:09:30,710 and I thought sort of found this 1645 01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:32,480 fascinating you know though I was having 1646 01:09:37,090 --> 01:09:35,239 lunch at up as it a highly respected New 1647 01:09:39,129 --> 01:09:37,100 Mexico State Police officer talking 1648 01:09:41,470 --> 01:09:39,139 about the military creating Holograms 1649 01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:41,480 and Bigfoot is almost like a like a 1650 01:09:45,939 --> 01:09:44,239 paranormal watchdog or guard dog if you 1651 01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:45,949 like more highly sophisticated 1652 01:09:50,110 --> 01:09:48,290 technological rather than paranormal I 1653 01:09:52,450 --> 01:09:50,120 should say but it was sort of very 1654 01:09:54,669 --> 01:09:52,460 strange story but you know it kind of I 1655 01:09:58,120 --> 01:09:54,679 guess ties in with use and you know 1656 01:10:00,910 --> 01:09:58,130 Holograms and and the paranormal means 1657 01:10:01,419 --> 01:10:00,920 to you know provoke like a psychological 1658 01:10:03,550 --> 01:10:01,429 response 1659 01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:03,560 well the Hickory Apache who live around 1660 01:10:08,669 --> 01:10:06,110 the Dulce area that's the reservation 1661 01:10:10,529 --> 01:10:08,679 pretty much surrounds Dulce there 1662 01:10:12,569 --> 01:10:10,539 there are a lot of Bigfoot sightings in 1663 01:10:14,429 --> 01:10:12,579 the area have been for decades so that 1664 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:14,439 that would be a perfect psychological 1665 01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,650 you know potential tool to use since 1666 01:10:21,959 --> 01:10:19,840 we're on the subject of Bigfoot the more 1667 01:10:24,589 --> 01:10:21,969 amazing things that I found fascinating 1668 01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:24,599 in your book was number one some of the 1669 01:10:31,410 --> 01:10:28,289 revelations about Tom slick the famous 1670 01:10:34,350 --> 01:10:31,420 well-to-do I think he was a Texas oil 1671 01:10:37,109 --> 01:10:34,360 man who funded several very high-profile 1672 01:10:39,689 --> 01:10:37,119 an abominable snowman hunts back in the 1673 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:39,699 I think what fifties and sixties if I 1674 01:10:44,219 --> 01:10:41,650 remember correctly and and his ties to 1675 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:44,229 the American intelligence community you 1676 01:10:48,209 --> 01:10:46,090 want just that a little bit I found that 1677 01:10:50,850 --> 01:10:48,219 very fascinating I had no clue 1678 01:10:54,179 --> 01:10:50,860 well yeah Tom slick was a millionaire 1679 01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:54,189 oilman and he sees father Tom slick 1680 01:10:59,129 --> 01:10:56,289 senior was you know made a massive 1681 01:11:01,469 --> 01:10:59,139 fortune because when he died Tom and his 1682 01:11:04,140 --> 01:11:01,479 siblings they they inherited you know a 1683 01:11:05,729 --> 01:11:04,150 vast fortune and so thomas lee really 1684 01:11:07,620 --> 01:11:05,739 didn't have to work it but he was one of 1685 01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:07,630 these people who you know invested money 1686 01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:09,570 here and there different projects and 1687 01:11:13,379 --> 01:11:11,320 essentially became you know a 1688 01:11:16,199 --> 01:11:13,389 multi-millionaire through being better 1689 01:11:18,839 --> 01:11:16,209 based through businessman he had a deep 1690 01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,849 fascination for cryptozoology and he 1691 01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,800 travels all over the world you know 1692 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:23,199 investigating things before his death in 1693 01:11:28,669 --> 01:11:26,050 the early sixties he he traveled around 1694 01:11:31,229 --> 01:11:28,679 the u.s. investigating Bigfoots 1695 01:11:33,989 --> 01:11:31,239 one of his main areas of interest was 1696 01:11:35,939 --> 01:11:33,999 the abominable snowman or the Yeti as 1697 01:11:39,209 --> 01:11:35,949 it's called which is you know reported 1698 01:11:41,819 --> 01:11:39,219 in the himalayas tibet etcetera and even 1699 01:11:44,819 --> 01:11:41,829 reports in parts of china in the forests 1700 01:11:47,969 --> 01:11:44,829 of china in india now in the mid to late 1701 01:11:51,029 --> 01:11:47,979 50s Tom slick went on a number of 1702 01:11:53,580 --> 01:11:51,039 expeditions and also sponsored and 1703 01:11:56,129 --> 01:11:53,590 organized several as well to look for 1704 01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:56,139 the Yeti now what's interesting is that 1705 01:12:00,779 --> 01:11:58,570 this was at the very time when there was 1706 01:12:02,969 --> 01:12:00,789 a great deal of turmoil between the 1707 01:12:05,310 --> 01:12:02,979 people of Tibet and the people of China 1708 01:12:08,549 --> 01:12:05,320 you know there was it was almost on the 1709 01:12:10,589 --> 01:12:08,559 on the verge of warfare break breaking 1710 01:12:12,060 --> 01:12:10,599 out the mail at the US military in the 1711 01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:12,070 British military at the time were deeply 1712 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:14,170 concerned you know that hostilities work 1713 01:12:19,649 --> 01:12:16,570 in a breakout and so they needed raw 1714 01:12:20,819 --> 01:12:19,659 intelligence data and a ground level if 1715 01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:20,829 you like kind of what I was talking 1716 01:12:24,270 --> 01:12:22,270 about early you know about having 1717 01:12:26,250 --> 01:12:24,280 sort of raw intelligence gathering 1718 01:12:28,770 --> 01:12:26,260 techniques so they wanted people in 1719 01:12:30,390 --> 01:12:28,780 place who could collect information and 1720 01:12:32,430 --> 01:12:30,400 report back on you know what was being 1721 01:12:34,650 --> 01:12:32,440 said in Tibet and what was being said in 1722 01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:34,660 China and what was going down so they 1723 01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:36,010 needed someone who was like a definitive 1724 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:38,830 player you know new people around town 1725 01:12:42,870 --> 01:12:40,330 who knew where to get hooked up and 1726 01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:42,880 plugged in with the right people etc and 1727 01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:46,000 so they reportedly chose Tom slick and 1728 01:12:50,700 --> 01:12:49,150 although Tom's flix yaki hunts were 1729 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:50,710 legitimate you know he did have a real 1730 01:12:54,300 --> 01:12:52,330 big passion for it and was looking for 1731 01:12:56,460 --> 01:12:54,310 the Yeti there are very strong 1732 01:12:58,860 --> 01:12:56,470 indications that he was also doing a 1733 01:13:00,840 --> 01:12:58,870 little bit of sort of sly spying on the 1734 01:13:02,340 --> 01:13:00,850 Chinese at the same time and if 1735 01:13:04,380 --> 01:13:02,350 questioned you know he could 1736 01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:04,390 legitimately say well you know sorry 1737 01:13:07,950 --> 01:13:05,830 guys I'm just in the area looking for 1738 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:07,960 the Yeti but he's acted as a good cover 1739 01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:09,370 so in other words he was doing 1740 01:13:14,100 --> 01:13:11,800 legitimate monster hunting research but 1741 01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:14,110 he had another agenda as well and he was 1742 01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:15,670 actually tied in with a number of 1743 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:18,250 well-to-do people he had a good deep 1744 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:21,070 connection with one of the businesses 1745 01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:22,810 were involved in with the bird with the 1746 01:13:28,890 --> 01:13:26,680 Bush family even George Bush Senior he's 1747 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:28,900 also a very close friend with Howard 1748 01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:30,610 Hughes who was deeply plugged into the 1749 01:13:36,300 --> 01:13:33,850 CIA so you know we've got somebody with 1750 01:13:38,130 --> 01:13:36,310 all these deep strong connections who's 1751 01:13:40,140 --> 01:13:38,140 in the right area at the right time who 1752 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:40,150 was like a definitive player and knew 1753 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:42,610 everybody everywhere there was a 1754 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:44,650 plausible cover story there was just 1755 01:13:50,430 --> 01:13:47,530 their hunting monsters so again you know 1756 01:13:52,440 --> 01:13:50,440 this demonstrates how what looks like 1757 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:52,450 you know the government investigating 1758 01:13:56,190 --> 01:13:53,890 monsters is actually something very 1759 01:13:58,680 --> 01:13:56,200 different where the monster angley's 1760 01:14:00,270 --> 01:13:58,690 sort of tangential to a greater goal if 1761 01:14:01,950 --> 01:14:00,280 you like so do you feel some of the 1762 01:14:05,370 --> 01:14:01,960 cases that maybe you unearthed this way 1763 01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:05,380 are meant to have something that was not 1764 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:08,530 related to monsters oh yeah about that I 1765 01:14:13,500 --> 01:14:11,290 mean I talk about a number of cases in 1766 01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:13,510 the book where you know the monster 1767 01:14:19,380 --> 01:14:17,170 angle was just a byproduct or it was 1768 01:14:21,810 --> 01:14:19,390 used as I said as a convenient cover 1769 01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:21,820 story and you know doesn't necessarily 1770 01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:23,260 mean the creatures don't exist but I 1771 01:14:27,090 --> 01:14:24,940 think sometimes the agencies didn't 1772 01:14:30,060 --> 01:14:27,100 really care yeah I don't think the CIA 1773 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:30,070 that when Tom slick was in in Tibet 1774 01:14:34,650 --> 01:14:32,050 honestly don't think the CI could have 1775 01:14:36,209 --> 01:14:34,660 cared less if the Yeti really existed 1776 01:14:37,830 --> 01:14:36,219 but they did deeply 1777 01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:37,840 about the fact that it was a legend that 1778 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:40,420 could be used as a cover you know I 1779 01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:42,489 would be very surprised if there are CIA 1780 01:14:47,339 --> 01:14:45,760 files on an actual search for a Yeti you 1781 01:14:49,439 --> 01:14:47,349 know that would be amazed I'll be 1782 01:14:51,779 --> 01:14:49,449 pleased but I'd be amazed and I think 1783 01:14:54,750 --> 01:14:51,789 it's doubtful but you know one day maybe 1784 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:54,760 we'll get to see the hard evidence as it 1785 01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:56,650 relates to Tom slicks involvement and 1786 01:15:02,100 --> 01:14:59,260 how far it actually went so how then do 1787 01:15:04,290 --> 01:15:02,110 you separate the possible government is 1788 01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:04,300 information from what appears to be 1789 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:06,369 genuine sightings of strange creatures 1790 01:15:10,620 --> 01:15:08,050 well I would have to be honestly they 1791 01:15:11,850 --> 01:15:10,630 say very carefully because it's one of 1792 01:15:14,129 --> 01:15:11,860 these situations where when you're 1793 01:15:15,899 --> 01:15:14,139 dealing with files that have officially 1794 01:15:18,529 --> 01:15:15,909 surfaced decades later 1795 01:15:20,729 --> 01:15:18,539 you know maybe 40 50 years in some cases 1796 01:15:23,129 --> 01:15:20,739 most of the people are probably dead and 1797 01:15:25,859 --> 01:15:23,139 good long gone so it's difficult to 1798 01:15:27,719 --> 01:15:25,869 really determine anything with any solid 1799 01:15:29,939 --> 01:15:27,729 degree that's why the flatwoods thing is 1800 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:29,949 such an enigma because you know he could 1801 01:15:34,259 --> 01:15:32,170 go either way still even now I think 1802 01:15:36,750 --> 01:15:34,269 even though I you know I personally do 1803 01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:36,760 think the SIOP angle is probably be 1804 01:15:42,509 --> 01:15:39,249 correct one but you you know you have to 1805 01:15:44,879 --> 01:15:42,519 have an open mind and you know for me I 1806 01:15:46,469 --> 01:15:44,889 don't find it disappointed if a 1807 01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,479 government agency has exploited a 1808 01:15:50,189 --> 01:15:48,159 monster myth to hide something else I 1809 01:15:52,620 --> 01:15:50,199 find it fascinating and it doesn't for 1810 01:15:55,890 --> 01:15:52,630 me negate the possibility of a real 1811 01:15:58,319 --> 01:15:55,900 creature exists in so I think you know 1812 01:16:00,540 --> 01:15:58,329 we need to be open-minded and not get 1813 01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:00,550 caught up with wanting to be to be this 1814 01:16:05,250 --> 01:16:02,590 or wanting it to be that that's that's a 1815 01:16:07,169 --> 01:16:05,260 something I've always tried to avoid is 1816 01:16:08,759 --> 01:16:07,179 wanting to be known not to quote the 1817 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:08,769 exercise or wanting to believe it's 1818 01:16:12,959 --> 01:16:11,050 something I just go where the data leads 1819 01:16:15,629 --> 01:16:12,969 me and it leads to a real creature 1820 01:16:17,339 --> 01:16:15,639 that's amazing if it relates to some 1821 01:16:19,709 --> 01:16:17,349 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time to survive it's time to 1933 01:20:59,229 --> 01:20:57,069 [Music] 1934 01:21:08,290 --> 01:20:59,239 hi my name is Richard Dolan you're 1935 01:21:13,670 --> 01:21:11,810 what was that Knicks afraid to say he 1936 01:21:15,410 --> 01:21:13,680 was possessed briefly yeah that was me 1937 01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:15,420 bein possessed I've got the swiveling 1938 01:21:19,370 --> 01:21:17,490 head yet but I might puke up some Pig 1939 01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:19,380 soap in a minute I don't know ladies and 1940 01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:20,490 gentlemen if you're eating dinner right 1941 01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:23,550 now we suggest that you basically stop 1942 01:21:28,730 --> 01:21:26,460 with the forks and fingers and the 1943 01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:28,740 knives down and the spoons especially 1944 01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,570 and just sit back and listen this stuff 1945 01:21:34,970 --> 01:21:32,640 gets pretty grisly since we're on the 1946 01:21:37,730 --> 01:21:34,980 subject of Big Foot probably the most 1947 01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:37,740 fascinating Bigfoot part at least to me 1948 01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:40,020 from your book was the the wonderful 1949 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:42,480 stories and rumors surrounding the 1950 01:21:46,910 --> 01:21:44,130 aftermath of the eruption of Mount st. 1951 01:21:48,500 --> 01:21:46,920 Helens in May of 1980 you know I think 1952 01:21:49,970 --> 01:21:48,510 some of us out there and a listening 1953 01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:49,980 audience have heard you know little 1954 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:54,300 Denson in rumors of Bigfoot bodies being 1955 01:21:59,210 --> 01:21:56,250 recovered by the government you look at 1956 01:22:02,180 --> 01:21:59,220 this subject and came up with some 1957 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:02,190 pretty surprising details on some of the 1958 01:22:06,170 --> 01:22:04,410 rumors so you care to address those well 1959 01:22:08,780 --> 01:22:06,180 yeah sure I mean thanks Aunt Helens I 1960 01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:08,790 mean erupted in May 1980 you know it had 1961 01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:10,710 this massive explosion that just sort of 1962 01:22:16,940 --> 01:22:13,800 devastated but the entire surrounding 1963 01:22:19,220 --> 01:22:16,950 area was actually some may 18th when the 1964 01:22:21,410 --> 01:22:19,230 mountain exploded the debris was shown 1965 01:22:23,870 --> 01:22:21,420 to have actually been sort of crumble in 1966 01:22:25,970 --> 01:22:23,880 a falling no less at 150 miles an hour 1967 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:25,980 that's how the speedy was blasted out 1968 01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:29,010 earth and he created this sort of huge 1969 01:22:34,660 --> 01:22:31,980 volcanic ash almost like a mushroom 1970 01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:34,670 cloud that reached 80 thousand feet and 1971 01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,500 flattening areas something like 19 bites 1972 01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:39,900 I think 19 by 23 miles I think was 1973 01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,670 exactly and almost 60 people died who 1974 01:22:51,380 --> 01:22:48,480 decided no they weren't going to leave 1975 01:22:55,220 --> 01:22:51,390 their homes now what we do know is that 1976 01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:55,230 roughly 5000 deer were killed more than 1977 01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:57,330 a thousand elk and somewhere in the 1978 01:23:02,990 --> 01:23:00,060 region of 12 million salmon so a lot of 1979 01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:03,000 the local known and identified animal 1980 01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:05,670 population perished when mounted Ellins 1981 01:23:11,690 --> 01:23:08,520 exploded now he mentioned a canyon which 1982 01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:11,700 is a relation to a famous case in the 1983 01:23:15,980 --> 01:23:13,370 1920s where there were sort of these 1984 01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:15,990 hostile Bigfoot reportedly on the loose 1985 01:23:20,580 --> 01:23:18,930 and attacking people even if Bigfoot is 1986 01:23:23,729 --> 01:23:20,590 a real flesh-and-blood animal 1987 01:23:25,890 --> 01:23:23,739 and was living in the vicinity Max and 1988 01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:25,900 Helen's are actually on Manson Helens 1989 01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:28,480 then arguably some of those would 1990 01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:30,730 probably have been killed as well and a 1991 01:23:34,740 --> 01:23:32,380 number of researchers over the years 1992 01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:34,750 have been approached by military people 1993 01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,489 or claimed through military people 1994 01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:38,080 saying you know I was involved or an 1995 01:23:42,689 --> 01:23:40,690 awareness of how in immediate aftermath 1996 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:42,699 when they were checking the mountain out 1997 01:23:47,220 --> 01:23:45,010 you know and finding bodies of dead deer 1998 01:23:49,919 --> 01:23:47,230 and things like that the soldiers also 1999 01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:49,929 stumbled upon a number of burned and 2000 01:23:54,839 --> 01:23:51,760 dead bodies and in some cases like 2001 01:23:56,580 --> 01:23:54,849 critically injured Bigfoot and there are 2002 01:23:58,379 --> 01:23:56,590 stories about them being sort of 2003 01:24:00,899 --> 01:23:58,389 airlifted out by things like double row 2004 01:24:03,870 --> 01:24:00,909 tips you know Kelly copters and you know 2005 01:24:06,419 --> 01:24:03,880 in sort of huge Nets powerful nets and 2006 01:24:08,939 --> 01:24:06,429 taken to who knows where and from there 2007 01:24:12,089 --> 01:24:08,949 the stories have sort of been expanded 2008 01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:12,099 into autopsies of Bigfoots at military 2009 01:24:16,890 --> 01:24:14,770 bases and that kind of thing as I point 2010 01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:16,900 out in the book a lot of the material I 2011 01:24:21,209 --> 01:24:18,810 use is Freedom of Information 2012 01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:21,219 documentation this chapter is solely 2013 01:24:27,589 --> 01:24:25,060 based upon researchers whose words I've 2014 01:24:31,859 --> 01:24:27,599 quoted or you know or I've interviewed 2015 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:31,869 and where they've spoken to after their 2016 01:24:35,660 --> 01:24:33,730 code sources if you like military people 2017 01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:35,670 who've made these claims so 2018 01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:37,570 unfortunately you know we don't have a 2019 01:24:42,870 --> 01:24:40,300 definitive smoking gun in the form of an 2020 01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:42,880 official document that confirms anybody 2021 01:24:46,649 --> 01:24:44,409 was looking for Bigfoot or anything was 2022 01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:46,659 found what we have our military people 2023 01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:48,639 who thus far at least haven't been 2024 01:24:52,379 --> 01:24:51,040 willing to go on the record and you know 2025 01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:52,389 I point that out I think it's important 2026 01:24:55,620 --> 01:24:54,010 to stress that he doesn't it doesn't 2027 01:24:58,470 --> 01:24:55,630 necessarily negate the stories it just 2028 01:25:00,200 --> 01:24:58,480 means we've got a sort of dig harder to 2029 01:25:02,820 --> 01:25:00,210 try and find some form of verification 2030 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:02,830 but admittedly you know the very fact 2031 01:25:07,620 --> 01:25:05,290 that five or six researchers across 2032 01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:07,630 three decades have received similar 2033 01:25:11,790 --> 01:25:10,239 stories but not identical ones for me is 2034 01:25:13,919 --> 01:25:11,800 a good point of the you know where the 2035 01:25:16,500 --> 01:25:13,929 smoke sometimes there really is fire 2036 01:25:20,129 --> 01:25:16,510 well one of the interesting details was 2037 01:25:24,030 --> 01:25:20,139 in one of these alleged I guess rumors 2038 01:25:26,399 --> 01:25:24,040 or off-the-record comments a Bigfoot was 2039 01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:26,409 actually involved with one of the 2040 01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:28,810 recovery teams according to this 2041 01:25:32,459 --> 01:25:30,489 particular story do you want to know 2042 01:25:33,690 --> 01:25:32,469 yeah this is really bizarre because he 2043 01:25:36,030 --> 01:25:33,700 talks about 2044 01:25:37,830 --> 01:25:36,040 you know Bigfoot I guess not being just 2045 01:25:40,140 --> 01:25:37,840 like a nun now night but something that 2046 01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:40,150 was secretly known of by the military 2047 01:25:44,070 --> 01:25:41,950 and the story is that you know one of 2048 01:25:46,860 --> 01:25:44,080 these creatures that survived possibly 2049 01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:46,870 endangered form to a degree actually 2050 01:25:51,900 --> 01:25:49,390 sort of helped the recovery team by 2051 01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,910 identifying where these injured Bigfoot 2052 01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:53,920 were by sort of using like a distress 2053 01:25:58,590 --> 01:25:56,410 call and getting a reply back and then 2054 01:26:00,900 --> 01:25:58,600 following the cries to the area and 2055 01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:00,910 leading the military personnel and the 2056 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:03,010 medical teams to where these injured 2057 01:26:08,010 --> 01:26:05,650 Bigfoot were and then you know ferrying 2058 01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:08,020 them out the area so you know if that's 2059 01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:10,900 not a hoax or exaggeration or a sigh up 2060 01:26:14,820 --> 01:26:12,550 or whatever you know it's it suggests 2061 01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:14,830 that Bigfoot is more than just a 2062 01:26:17,610 --> 01:26:16,030 flesh-and-blood ape which which 2063 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:17,620 ironically I actually believe it is I 2064 01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:18,930 think there are a lot of weird 2065 01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:21,070 paranormal aspects to big but I don't 2066 01:26:25,710 --> 01:26:22,960 think it's just the equivalent of like a 2067 01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:25,720 an African gorilla a mountain gorilla I 2068 01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:27,880 think it's it's something far weirder 2069 01:26:33,060 --> 01:26:30,190 than that so you know who knows maybe 2070 01:26:35,490 --> 01:26:33,070 there has been some sort of collusion or 2071 01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:35,500 you know contacting some form one of our 2072 01:26:40,380 --> 01:26:37,810 questioners is interested he heard you 2073 01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:40,390 on another show and you mentioned kind 2074 01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:42,370 of a multi-dimensional aspect that you 2075 01:26:45,870 --> 01:26:44,080 think might be there we've talked about 2076 01:26:47,220 --> 01:26:45,880 this with you in the past but what's 2077 01:26:49,770 --> 01:26:47,230 your thinking on that now that we're 2078 01:26:52,770 --> 01:26:49,780 talking about that consider me myself of 2079 01:26:53,970 --> 01:26:52,780 cryptozoology I consider myself a 40 and 2080 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:53,980 who has a deep interest in 2081 01:26:57,170 --> 01:26:55,570 cryptozoologist and she's a big 2082 01:26:59,280 --> 01:26:57,180 difference most mainstream 2083 01:27:01,020 --> 01:26:59,290 cryptozoologists will tell you honestly 2084 01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,030 that they're looking for unknown animals 2085 01:27:05,550 --> 01:27:03,040 or you know possibly creatures that 2086 01:27:07,620 --> 01:27:05,560 science believes has become extinct but 2087 01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:07,630 that maybe haven't things like that for 2088 01:27:12,030 --> 01:27:09,340 me you know I'm quite comfortable 2089 01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:12,040 including in cryptozoology animals that 2090 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:14,140 seem far weird and exhibit just flesh 2091 01:27:17,970 --> 01:27:15,970 and blood now there are a number of 2092 01:27:20,670 --> 01:27:17,980 reports of Bigfoot now granted it's not 2093 01:27:22,950 --> 01:27:20,680 like 7080 percent he's probably seven or 2094 01:27:24,030 --> 01:27:22,960 eight percent and most research is a 2095 01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:24,040 Bigfoot if they're honest with 2096 01:27:27,690 --> 01:27:25,930 themselves and everybody else they will 2097 01:27:29,580 --> 01:27:27,700 have at least a few reports like this on 2098 01:27:32,430 --> 01:27:29,590 fire where somebody has seen a Bigfoot 2099 01:27:34,620 --> 01:27:32,440 and it's been reported at the same time 2100 01:27:37,170 --> 01:27:34,630 and same location as weird lights in the 2101 01:27:38,820 --> 01:27:37,180 sky or UFOs or the witness or the 2102 01:27:41,010 --> 01:27:38,830 Bigfoot has got a visit from a man in 2103 01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:41,020 black type character or the creature 2104 01:27:45,330 --> 01:27:42,880 itself is like vanished in a flash of 2105 01:27:47,070 --> 01:27:45,340 light or just literally vanished in like 2106 01:27:47,580 --> 01:27:47,080 a green fog as some people have talked 2107 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:47,590 about 2108 01:27:52,620 --> 01:27:50,410 because Bigfoot is so definitively 2109 01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:52,630 elusive and always evades capture and 2110 01:27:58,020 --> 01:27:54,970 bullets never seem to affect it I kind 2111 01:28:00,450 --> 01:27:58,030 of wonder if maybe Bigfoot is something 2112 01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:00,460 that is temporarily passing through how 2113 01:28:04,770 --> 01:28:03,010 well that's why it's oh you know it has 2114 01:28:07,890 --> 01:28:04,780 this here one minute gone the next 2115 01:28:10,530 --> 01:28:07,900 flavor to it if you like and I think you 2116 01:28:12,210 --> 01:28:10,540 know maybe uses wormholes and dimensions 2117 01:28:14,370 --> 01:28:12,220 and things like that and maybe that 2118 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:14,380 would explain why military agencies are 2119 01:28:19,140 --> 01:28:16,330 interested perhaps the interest is less 2120 01:28:21,390 --> 01:28:19,150 based around Bigfoot but more around 2121 01:28:23,850 --> 01:28:21,400 trying to understand how these wormholes 2122 01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,860 can be accessed for military gain I 2123 01:28:27,510 --> 01:28:25,840 think there's a consensus desire and 2124 01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:27,520 controversial but you know I don't care 2125 01:28:31,140 --> 01:28:28,900 about dealing with bizarre and 2126 01:28:33,450 --> 01:28:31,150 controversial subjects you know it's the 2127 01:28:36,750 --> 01:28:33,460 bear against ion his Army's 2128 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:36,760 controversial you know I am worried 2129 01:28:41,370 --> 01:28:38,890 about what people think of me no 2130 01:28:43,230 --> 01:28:41,380 reputation to lose you know so for me I 2131 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:43,240 actually think there is something to 2132 01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:45,250 this a Bigfoot could be something that 2133 01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:48,010 he potentially exists in another reality 2134 01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:50,290 and temporarily appears in ours and of 2135 01:28:55,260 --> 01:28:52,180 course understanding how that could 2136 01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,270 occur would be a major developments for 2137 01:28:58,920 --> 01:28:57,280 any military agency and so again I think 2138 01:29:00,990 --> 01:28:58,930 the military could be less interested in 2139 01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:01,000 Bigfoot but more interested in its 2140 01:29:04,980 --> 01:29:03,520 capabilities well that also brings up 2141 01:29:07,770 --> 01:29:04,990 that classic case of 2142 01:29:10,470 --> 01:29:07,780 a world-class physicist up at Sherman 2143 01:29:12,210 --> 01:29:10,480 ranch or the skinwalker ranch observing 2144 01:29:13,980 --> 01:29:12,220 a portal opening up in the air and what 2145 01:29:16,110 --> 01:29:13,990 appeared to be a large oversized 2146 01:29:18,420 --> 01:29:16,120 humanoid form crawling out of this 2147 01:29:21,270 --> 01:29:18,430 portal in the air yeah the skinwalker 2148 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:21,280 ranch to me sort of typifies why I do 2149 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:23,770 believe in these portals and doorways 2150 01:29:29,010 --> 01:29:25,930 potentially being stationary in certain 2151 01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:29,020 areas or temporarily stationary because 2152 01:29:33,300 --> 01:29:31,090 we find certain places all around the 2153 01:29:34,950 --> 01:29:33,310 world that seem to be hotspots for a 2154 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:34,960 wide range of different phenomena that 2155 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:37,810 seemingly appear unconnected but they're 2156 01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:39,850 all in one place I mean the kind of 2157 01:29:42,810 --> 01:29:41,650 chase forests when woods we're near 2158 01:29:45,440 --> 01:29:42,820 where I grew up in central England 2159 01:29:47,610 --> 01:29:45,450 they're like a hotbed for UFOs Bigfoot 2160 01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:47,620 werewolf type creatures you know which 2161 01:29:52,830 --> 01:29:49,690 you could possibly apply as skinwalkers 2162 01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:52,840 phantom like ghostly creatures ghostly 2163 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:53,800 black dogs 2164 01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,530 paranormal large black cats looking like 2165 01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:58,000 sort of like a black leather but 2166 01:30:01,920 --> 01:29:59,560 vanishing in the blink of an eye and 2167 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:01,930 they're all in this one area of forest 2168 01:30:05,610 --> 01:30:03,610 called the carriage chase and you can 2169 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:05,620 find places like this like the screen 2170 01:30:09,870 --> 01:30:07,930 walk around all around the world but see 2171 01:30:11,490 --> 01:30:09,880 if you like magnets for weirdness and 2172 01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:11,500 and I think there's something to the 2173 01:30:15,810 --> 01:30:12,910 idea that you know perhaps these 2174 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:15,820 stationary areas are slightly equivalent 2175 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:17,650 to jumping on a paranormal equivalent of 2176 01:30:20,610 --> 01:30:18,970 a New York subway or the London 2177 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:20,620 Underground you know and then getting 2178 01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:22,330 off at another stop and getting back on 2179 01:30:26,340 --> 01:30:24,730 and jumping off again or whatever 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01:35:19,429 joining us here to talk about all sorts 2292 01:35:24,010 --> 01:35:22,159 of bizarre things going on I have to 2293 01:35:24,780 --> 01:35:24,020 tell you I used to live in a bizarre 2294 01:35:27,669 --> 01:35:24,790 place 2295 01:35:30,010 --> 01:35:27,679 I still do actually but it's a different 2296 01:35:31,899 --> 01:35:30,020 bizarre place all right well there you 2297 01:35:35,050 --> 01:35:31,909 go we've got more questions from our 2298 01:35:36,550 --> 01:35:35,060 audience well Nick you you bring it out 2299 01:35:38,109 --> 01:35:36,560 in people we've answered a bunch of them 2300 01:35:39,850 --> 01:35:38,119 but here's one that's it's kind of 2301 01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:39,860 interesting I'm not sure to make of it 2302 01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,320 this comes from spooky Mulder who's been 2303 01:35:46,959 --> 01:35:44,960 a para cast forum poster for a couple of 2304 01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:46,969 years and he says Nick what is your 2305 01:35:51,459 --> 01:35:49,340 slant on the checkered shirt phenomenon 2306 01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:51,469 which is being reported on beans from 2307 01:35:55,689 --> 01:35:53,810 Bigfoot to the grinning man now that's 2308 01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:55,699 news to me you want to fill us in what's 2309 01:36:00,459 --> 01:35:58,610 he talking about it's actually very 2310 01:36:02,530 --> 01:36:00,469 weird phenomenon that somebody really 2311 01:36:04,990 --> 01:36:02,540 should do like a definitive paper on it 2312 01:36:06,910 --> 01:36:05,000 but throughout the isn't john cale found 2313 01:36:08,260 --> 01:36:06,920 a number of these cases that so far it 2314 01:36:11,229 --> 01:36:08,270 stretches back there are a lot of 2315 01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:11,239 reports that seemingly nobody really 2316 01:36:15,580 --> 01:36:13,610 puts the pieces together and realizes 2317 01:36:19,050 --> 01:36:15,590 but you know some people like you like 2318 01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:19,060 smokey do and john cale did that certain 2319 01:36:23,740 --> 01:36:21,860 phenomena you're humanoid type creatures 2320 01:36:26,500 --> 01:36:23,750 whether it's bigfoot-type creatures 2321 01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:26,510 occasionally hairy wild men or just sort 2322 01:36:30,459 --> 01:36:28,610 of creatures and looking with the same 2323 01:36:33,129 --> 01:36:30,469 paranormal they're often reported 2324 01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:33,139 wearing like check shirts no it sounds 2325 01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:35,300 totally bizarre but if you google sort 2326 01:36:40,689 --> 01:36:37,040 of check shirts a paranormal phenomena 2327 01:36:43,089 --> 01:36:40,699 you actually find this trend where they 2328 01:36:44,439 --> 01:36:43,099 pop up where in check shirts you know it 2329 01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:44,449 almost sounds like some sort of weird 2330 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:47,329 tricks to type angle you know that's 2331 01:36:51,850 --> 01:36:49,610 just fly and screw around with people's 2332 01:36:53,770 --> 01:36:51,860 minds by where check shirts and see who 2333 01:36:56,319 --> 01:36:53,780 notices it and who gets obsessed by it 2334 01:36:57,910 --> 01:36:56,329 and you know devote their life to it or 2335 01:37:00,760 --> 01:36:57,920 whatever you know I'm sort of 2336 01:37:02,530 --> 01:37:00,770 manipulated by the trickster but yeah I 2337 01:37:04,839 --> 01:37:02,540 mean I've never actually investigated it 2338 01:37:06,850 --> 01:37:04,849 but I've read about it and it's one of 2339 01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:06,860 these things where you know it almost 2340 01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:10,760 defies explanation or description and 2341 01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:13,070 the best I can say is is to me does 2342 01:37:17,589 --> 01:37:14,770 sound like some weird and bizarre 2343 01:37:19,479 --> 01:37:17,599 trickster like trick you know let's just 2344 01:37:20,109 --> 01:37:19,489 let you screw around with the natives 2345 01:37:21,580 --> 01:37:20,119 and 2346 01:37:23,739 --> 01:37:21,590 you have one of these characters pop up 2347 01:37:25,629 --> 01:37:23,749 with a check shirt every so often it's 2348 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:25,639 all it's kind of reminds me of the the 2349 01:37:32,529 --> 01:37:28,729 shadow shadow men that wear hats that 2350 01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:32,539 wear fedoras I sometimes think that 2351 01:37:37,209 --> 01:37:35,360 there's like a crossover between the man 2352 01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:37,219 in black and the shadow people you know 2353 01:37:42,219 --> 01:37:39,409 sometimes the men in black do seem like 2354 01:37:44,290 --> 01:37:42,229 flesh-and-blood people other times you 2355 01:37:46,989 --> 01:37:44,300 know they have this sort of a cult 2356 01:37:49,689 --> 01:37:46,999 aspect to them and then on the other 2357 01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:49,699 side you have the more in substantial 2358 01:37:53,830 --> 01:37:52,369 sort of ethereal shadow people so it's 2359 01:37:56,109 --> 01:37:53,840 almost like it appears in three forms 2360 01:37:58,540 --> 01:37:56,119 kind of like like at a theory in 2361 01:38:00,069 --> 01:37:58,550 substantial form then in a cult form 2362 01:38:02,229 --> 01:38:00,079 than a fully flesh-and-blood human 2363 01:38:04,689 --> 01:38:02,239 because if it's you know sort of mutate 2364 01:38:07,330 --> 01:38:04,699 you know changing and you know kind of 2365 01:38:09,100 --> 01:38:07,340 like you know you can have water can be 2366 01:38:11,619 --> 01:38:09,110 in the form of a gas in steam you know 2367 01:38:13,299 --> 01:38:11,629 it can be a liquid it could be a solid 2368 01:38:16,029 --> 01:38:13,309 in the form of ice you know maybe it's 2369 01:38:18,369 --> 01:38:16,039 all one entity you know in different 2370 01:38:20,799 --> 01:38:18,379 forms of existence possibly have a 2371 01:38:23,229 --> 01:38:20,809 question from a first time poster I'm 2372 01:38:25,419 --> 01:38:23,239 I'm pretty sure this might be one of the 2373 01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:25,429 first times someone has actually posted 2374 01:38:29,319 --> 01:38:27,199 their first time asking a question of a 2375 01:38:32,109 --> 01:38:29,329 guest this one comes from OS prime who 2376 01:38:33,969 --> 01:38:32,119 signed up at forum dr. Peric ascom on 2377 01:38:35,409 --> 01:38:33,979 Sunday and he says Nick with all the 2378 01:38:38,199 --> 01:38:35,419 documents who reports the government 2379 01:38:40,179 --> 01:38:38,209 u.s. foreign and otherwise seem to have 2380 01:38:42,459 --> 01:38:40,189 referring to all these monsters and 2381 01:38:44,949 --> 01:38:42,469 creatures do you know of any country 2382 01:38:47,770 --> 01:38:44,959 state city or province that might have 2383 01:38:49,659 --> 01:38:47,780 an actual protocol on how to handle an 2384 01:38:53,830 --> 01:38:49,669 appearance or an attack by one of these 2385 01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:53,840 cuddly creatures well actually I'm not 2386 01:38:58,330 --> 01:38:56,090 aware of any sort of aerial province 2387 01:39:00,959 --> 01:38:58,340 that you know has guidelines in place 2388 01:39:03,279 --> 01:39:00,969 but in fact I'll give you a good example 2389 01:39:06,549 --> 01:39:03,289 is again through the Freedom of 2390 01:39:09,429 --> 01:39:06,559 Information Act when Tom slick was in in 2391 01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:09,439 Tibet in the late 1950s the state 2392 01:39:13,839 --> 01:39:11,329 department's the US State Department's 2393 01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:13,849 you had an office in Tibet and they 2394 01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:16,249 actually relayed throughout their office 2395 01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:19,070 and so various agencies guidelines that 2396 01:39:24,459 --> 01:39:21,289 have been laid down by the people of 2397 01:39:26,469 --> 01:39:24,469 Tibet which should be adhered to in the 2398 01:39:28,869 --> 01:39:26,479 event that somebody goes on a Yeti hunt 2399 01:39:29,949 --> 01:39:28,879 and the documents talk about that you 2400 01:39:32,919 --> 01:39:29,959 know if somebody's allowed in the 2401 01:39:33,970 --> 01:39:32,929 country in Tibet and you know what I got 2402 01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:33,980 here yet you don't say 2403 01:39:37,930 --> 01:39:35,930 to sign like a document saying they want 2404 01:39:39,550 --> 01:39:37,940 you to kill it and if they take any 2405 01:39:40,990 --> 01:39:39,560 photographs the pictures actually handed 2406 01:39:43,420 --> 01:39:41,000 over to be Tibetan government 2407 01:39:45,160 --> 01:39:43,430 immediately the study and this is all in 2408 01:39:46,810 --> 01:39:45,170 the US State Department documents 2409 01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,820 actually reproduced one of the documents 2410 01:39:50,500 --> 01:39:49,040 in the book in a photograph form and 2411 01:39:53,050 --> 01:39:50,510 it's sort of fascinating that this 2412 01:39:54,580 --> 01:39:53,060 legislation not only existed but you 2413 01:39:57,580 --> 01:39:54,590 know the US government was helping the 2414 01:39:59,740 --> 01:39:57,590 Tibetan government to you know keep 2415 01:40:01,390 --> 01:39:59,750 these guidelines in place and warning 2416 01:40:03,130 --> 01:40:01,400 people like Tom slick you know if you 2417 01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:03,140 find one of these you will not shoot it 2418 01:40:05,229 --> 01:40:04,850 you know otherwise there's gonna be hell 2419 01:40:08,140 --> 01:40:05,239 to pay 2420 01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:08,150 I guess that is sort of pretty much you 2421 01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:09,440 know along the lines what the questioner 2422 01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:10,820 was asking he doesn't sort of relate to 2423 01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:12,590 what would happen if a person got 2424 01:40:17,110 --> 01:40:14,480 attacked but he does relate to what 2425 01:40:18,820 --> 01:40:17,120 would happen to a person if they tried 2426 01:40:20,410 --> 01:40:18,830 to kill one of these creatures which I 2427 01:40:22,750 --> 01:40:20,420 guess would be on the endangered species 2428 01:40:24,460 --> 01:40:22,760 list one Nathan yeah I would think you 2429 01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:24,470 would find these types of protocols it 2430 01:40:29,110 --> 01:40:26,510 would probably be more apt to find them 2431 01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:29,120 in a an Asian country possibly South 2432 01:40:34,270 --> 01:40:31,040 America so that was a good question for 2433 01:40:35,710 --> 01:40:34,280 a first time poster I must say this is 2434 01:40:38,770 --> 01:40:35,720 going back to our one of our newer 2435 01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:38,780 posters talking meatsuit who used to be 2436 01:40:45,580 --> 01:40:42,790 known as Yeti turds for sale I think I 2437 01:40:48,370 --> 01:40:45,590 think we all understand why he changed 2438 01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:48,380 that name you know there's no secret 2439 01:40:57,010 --> 01:40:54,290 about it that's true well I think this 2440 01:40:58,660 --> 01:40:57,020 is almost an unfair question I know all 2441 01:41:01,540 --> 01:40:58,670 your books are like babies you love them 2442 01:41:03,700 --> 01:41:01,550 all but what book are you least proud of 2443 01:41:04,930 --> 01:41:03,710 and what book are you most proud of and 2444 01:41:07,810 --> 01:41:04,940 you're gonna have to probably think 2445 01:41:10,660 --> 01:41:07,820 about that's a very good question I 2446 01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:10,670 think my my favorite book is one I did 2447 01:41:14,620 --> 01:41:13,310 last years called wild man and that's a 2448 01:41:16,810 --> 01:41:14,630 study of the very little-known 2449 01:41:18,460 --> 01:41:16,820 phenomenon of Bigfoot in Britain the 2450 01:41:20,380 --> 01:41:18,470 reason I wrote it was because when I 2451 01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:20,390 grew up the area in central England 2452 01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:22,640 where I grew up as a kid very heavily 2453 01:41:26,740 --> 01:41:24,800 forested you had a famous legend of a 2454 01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,750 creature known as the man monkey which 2455 01:41:31,930 --> 01:41:28,880 was sort of this large chimpanzee like 2456 01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,940 semi human primitive human ape type 2457 01:41:36,610 --> 01:41:33,920 creature that reportedly haunted an old 2458 01:41:38,740 --> 01:41:36,620 bridge that crossed up any Creole canal 2459 01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:38,750 in central England and of course bridges 2460 01:41:42,190 --> 01:41:40,520 you know it's hide with paranormal 2461 01:41:44,620 --> 01:41:42,200 phenomena all around the world is part 2462 01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:44,630 of our psyche and our culture it 2463 01:41:47,770 --> 01:41:46,489 fascinated made this particular story 2464 01:41:49,900 --> 01:41:47,780 the more I dug into it the more 2465 01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:49,910 I found more and more reports of Bigfoot 2466 01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:51,920 site creatures in Britain and that's one 2467 01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:53,690 of my sort of pet subjects and I finally 2468 01:41:58,450 --> 01:41:55,850 wrote a full-length book on it about a 2469 01:42:00,580 --> 01:41:58,460 300 pages long which came out last year 2470 01:42:02,350 --> 01:42:00,590 called Wildman that was the one book I 2471 01:42:05,740 --> 01:42:02,360 always wanted to do so that was probably 2472 01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,750 the favorite book of mine you know you 2473 01:42:08,290 --> 01:42:07,040 can always sort of look I'll guess it's 2474 01:42:10,150 --> 01:42:08,300 like it's like a band you know you 2475 01:42:12,370 --> 01:42:10,160 always want to go back and make a change 2476 01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:12,380 of her guitar cell or the drum sounds 2477 01:42:16,530 --> 01:42:14,450 you know I think probably the least 2478 01:42:19,780 --> 01:42:16,540 favorite of mine was a book I wrote in 2479 01:42:21,550 --> 01:42:19,790 1999 which was called cosmic crashes and 2480 01:42:24,610 --> 01:42:21,560 that was a study of what we might call 2481 01:42:26,280 --> 01:42:24,620 British Roswell and he wrote a roadtrip 2482 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:26,290 style of sort of going around the UK 2483 01:42:31,150 --> 01:42:28,730 traveling to alleged crash sites and 2484 01:42:33,220 --> 01:42:31,160 interviewing people and the problem with 2485 01:42:35,950 --> 01:42:33,230 the book from my perspective looking 2486 01:42:39,370 --> 01:42:35,960 backward hindsight now he said it was to 2487 01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:39,380 belief driven you know I sort of wanted 2488 01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:41,750 I wrote it is clear you know my mindset 2489 01:42:44,500 --> 01:42:42,800 back then was still in the 2490 01:42:47,230 --> 01:42:44,510 extra-terrestrial mode and I wanted that 2491 01:42:49,810 --> 01:42:47,240 being a British Roswell and I should 2492 01:42:51,850 --> 01:42:49,820 have been more open-minded into the idea 2493 01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:51,860 of you know was a crashed UFO story 2494 01:42:56,770 --> 01:42:54,410 created to hide a crash of a classified 2495 01:42:58,840 --> 01:42:56,780 British military aircraft or you know 2496 01:43:00,850 --> 01:42:58,850 what he just a hoax or whatever I was 2497 01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:00,860 too caught up in the the wanting to 2498 01:43:05,050 --> 01:43:02,570 believe angle and it wasn't balanced 2499 01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:05,060 enough so he wants so much I don't like 2500 01:43:10,090 --> 01:43:07,610 the book we hindsight I should have 2501 01:43:12,430 --> 01:43:10,100 written it in a you know a more balanced 2502 01:43:14,590 --> 01:43:12,440 fashion interesting yeah because you are 2503 01:43:17,470 --> 01:43:14,600 very very your even-keeled and very 2504 01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:17,480 objective in your writing I try to be 2505 01:43:21,970 --> 01:43:19,310 but I mean I recognize that in that one 2506 01:43:23,680 --> 01:43:21,980 I wasn't because you know I did get too 2507 01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,690 wrapped up at me sometimes well no 2508 01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:25,280 because unbalanced people say oh you're 2509 01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:27,170 French sitting well I'm not you know 2510 01:43:29,860 --> 01:43:29,090 it's like if people ask me like 2511 01:43:32,410 --> 01:43:29,870 flatwoods 2512 01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:32,420 I honestly can't give you a straight 2513 01:43:36,430 --> 01:43:33,800 answer as to whether it was a real 2514 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:36,440 creature or a PSYOP you know I can give 2515 01:43:42,100 --> 01:43:39,290 my opinion I think the SIOP is more 2516 01:43:43,690 --> 01:43:42,110 likely but for me to stamp my feet and 2517 01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:43,700 say it was a PSYOP you know that's 2518 01:43:47,890 --> 01:43:46,250 stupid I can't do that because you know 2519 01:43:50,860 --> 01:43:47,900 there isn't enough data in and I think 2520 01:43:53,380 --> 01:43:50,870 sometimes the will and the one to 2521 01:43:56,500 --> 01:43:53,390 believe in something crosses the line 2522 01:43:58,330 --> 01:43:56,510 where people do so well this is this is 2523 01:44:00,010 --> 01:43:58,340 the answer it's got to be you know and 2524 01:44:00,850 --> 01:44:00,020 that's the mistake I made with cosmic 2525 01:44:02,830 --> 01:44:00,860 crashes 2526 01:44:09,070 --> 01:44:02,840 yeah it slants are thinking and kind of 2527 01:44:10,750 --> 01:44:09,080 shades our conclusions back to the 2528 01:44:12,820 --> 01:44:10,760 flatwoods monster since we haven't seen 2529 01:44:14,380 --> 01:44:12,830 it again perhaps it was a 12-foot alien 2530 01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:14,390 that just didn't find West Virginia 2531 01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:18,830 girls very attractive or something it is 2532 01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,600 this kind of like the one-off cases 2533 01:44:26,440 --> 01:44:23,840 where you have one particular event it 2534 01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:26,450 is never repeated again and that's an 2535 01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:28,040 interesting question to even pursue 2536 01:44:34,060 --> 01:44:31,210 which is do you think that when you have 2537 01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:34,070 events they're not repeated they have a 2538 01:44:39,310 --> 01:44:36,470 lesser or greater chance of being 2539 01:44:41,170 --> 01:44:39,320 authentic now I guess from a scientific 2540 01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:41,180 point of view that goes against the 2541 01:44:46,090 --> 01:44:42,470 grain because scientists want to 2542 01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:46,100 replicate everything they want to show 2543 01:44:51,490 --> 01:44:48,530 that the phenomenon is repeatable 2544 01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:51,500 somehow somewhere and therefore if they 2545 01:44:56,260 --> 01:44:53,690 could repeat the phenomenon they could 2546 01:44:58,600 --> 01:44:56,270 demonstrate their explanation but when 2547 01:45:00,760 --> 01:44:58,610 you get a one-off event you know all 2548 01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,770 bets are off ladies and gentlemen you 2549 01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:03,440 never know what caused them unless you 2550 01:45:08,020 --> 01:45:05,540 have some more evidence and sometimes 2551 01:45:10,690 --> 01:45:08,030 just the evidence of your eyes may not 2552 01:45:12,790 --> 01:45:10,700 be sufficient and so it goes we have 2553 01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:12,800 Nick Redfern the Booker's monster files 2554 01:45:18,910 --> 01:45:15,650 and we have the monster Chris O'Brien 2555 01:45:21,430 --> 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Midwest self-reliance 2611 01:47:27,450 --> 01:47:25,060 festival June 2612 01:47:30,120 --> 01:47:27,460 the 29th and 30th in Des Moines Iowa 2613 01:47:32,160 --> 01:47:30,130 presented by my Patriot supply and 2614 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:32,170 sponsored by Genesis communications 2615 01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:34,810 network visit Valliere ballroom comm for 2616 01:47:46,420 --> 01:47:36,970 tickets and find us on facebook at the 2617 01:47:54,430 --> 01:47:50,120 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2618 01:48:02,830 --> 01:47:54,440 standard of paranormal radio and now 2619 01:48:06,050 --> 01:48:02,840 here's Jane Steinberg shall I say it a 2620 01:48:08,510 --> 01:48:06,060 monster of a show Nick Redfern joining 2621 01:48:11,180 --> 01:48:08,520 gene and Chris and Nick of courses kind 2622 01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:11,190 of sending me weird vibes for using that 2623 01:48:15,950 --> 01:48:13,770 phrase a monster of a show bombarded you 2624 01:48:18,380 --> 01:48:15,960 with microwaves via my black helicopter 2625 01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:18,390 yeah you're gonna get some emails on 2626 01:48:22,220 --> 01:48:20,610 that joke gene head it's not a joke 2627 01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:22,230 ladies and gentlemen I am being 2628 01:48:26,690 --> 01:48:24,900 perfectly serious I never joke that's 2629 01:48:27,950 --> 01:48:26,700 like the remark from whether James Bond 2630 01:48:28,670 --> 01:48:27,960 movies I never joked with 2631 01:48:31,970 --> 01:48:28,680 double-oh-seven 2632 01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:31,980 right well you got to admit gene nick is 2633 01:48:36,380 --> 01:48:34,650 one of our best and most popular guests 2634 01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:36,390 and and before I can tell you Nick I 2635 01:48:39,740 --> 01:48:38,010 have more fun with you when you when I 2636 01:48:41,270 --> 01:48:39,750 have a book of yours in my hand and get 2637 01:48:43,820 --> 01:48:41,280 a chance to talk to you later about it 2638 01:48:47,210 --> 01:48:43,830 you amaze me man that you are able to 2639 01:48:49,340 --> 01:48:47,220 uncover such such just really good stuff 2640 01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:49,350 in my hat's off to you I mean you're a 2641 01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:51,840 real inspiration I think for aspiring 2642 01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:54,300 writers out there okay so we had a 2643 01:48:59,390 --> 01:48:55,920 question on the table our last segment 2644 01:49:01,400 --> 01:48:59,400 Nick and that is the one off event and 2645 01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:01,410 we can mention an example being of 2646 01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:03,450 course flatwoods monster the one-off 2647 01:49:09,710 --> 01:49:06,780 event do you think it holds a lesser or 2648 01:49:12,140 --> 01:49:09,720 greater chance of having some value of 2649 01:49:15,020 --> 01:49:12,150 being true well I actually do think he 2650 01:49:16,370 --> 01:49:15,030 stands at a greater chance because when 2651 01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:16,380 something becomes part of popular 2652 01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,800 culture and belief systems develop 2653 01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:21,360 sometimes you know people get carried 2654 01:49:25,670 --> 01:49:23,370 away and see things that aren't 2655 01:49:28,070 --> 01:49:25,680 necessarily there or you know if they 2656 01:49:29,780 --> 01:49:28,080 expect to see an alien people expect to 2657 01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,790 see an alien today everybody's got that 2658 01:49:34,190 --> 01:49:31,440 imagery in they'd have like their large 2659 01:49:36,140 --> 01:49:34,200 head and the black eyes you know so I 2660 01:49:38,270 --> 01:49:36,150 think something that's totally different 2661 01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:38,280 and that doesn't go along with what's in 2662 01:49:42,050 --> 01:49:39,930 popular culture and he's never seen 2663 01:49:44,030 --> 01:49:42,060 again you know I actually think there is 2664 01:49:46,220 --> 01:49:44,040 a good argument to be made that that was 2665 01:49:48,050 --> 01:49:46,230 genuine because it isn't you know part 2666 01:49:49,670 --> 01:49:48,060 of the run-of-the-mill thing that 2667 01:49:52,430 --> 01:49:49,680 everybody expects you to base he's 2668 01:49:53,450 --> 01:49:52,440 totally off the walls that leads me to 2669 01:49:55,980 --> 01:49:53,460 another question 2670 01:49:58,500 --> 01:49:55,990 this one's from Paul to worst who's a 2671 01:50:01,950 --> 01:49:58,510 time poster at forum dr. Peric ask.com 2672 01:50:04,710 --> 01:50:01,960 he says Nick what do you think might 2673 01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:04,720 account for the werewolf myth persisting 2674 01:50:08,670 --> 01:50:07,150 probably from prehistoric times all the 2675 01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:08,680 way through the late through the late 2676 01:50:13,650 --> 01:50:10,990 Middle Ages when there was a regular 2677 01:50:18,540 --> 01:50:13,660 werewolf craze second only to the witch 2678 01:50:20,190 --> 01:50:18,550 craze well into the 1800s and he also 2679 01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:20,200 has a little PostScript Terry says that 2680 01:50:23,910 --> 01:50:21,850 Nick and Chris I recently found a 2681 01:50:26,370 --> 01:50:23,920 strange sentence while googling the term 2682 01:50:28,590 --> 01:50:26,380 when Wendigo in the sentences the 2683 01:50:30,990 --> 01:50:28,600 creature could only be seen if it faced 2684 01:50:32,850 --> 01:50:31,000 the witness head-on because it was so 2685 01:50:35,070 --> 01:50:32,860 thin that it could not be seen from the 2686 01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:35,080 side and he says this reminds me a lot 2687 01:50:39,780 --> 01:50:37,690 of Chris's description my description of 2688 01:50:42,030 --> 01:50:39,790 beans that looked like they were two 2689 01:50:44,490 --> 01:50:42,040 dimensional which I've described on the 2690 01:50:46,980 --> 01:50:44,500 show before do you have any more stories 2691 01:50:49,080 --> 01:50:46,990 or reports with that two dimensional and 2692 01:50:51,060 --> 01:50:49,090 I guess highest range aspect well 2693 01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:51,070 actually I do have one I don't talk 2694 01:50:54,630 --> 01:50:52,480 about this in the book but I did talk 2695 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:54,640 about in that book I mentioned just now 2696 01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:57,850 Wildman where friend of mine John Downes 2697 01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:00,060 who's one of Britain's most well-known 2698 01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:02,170 cryptozoologists he had an experience 2699 01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:05,170 with like a classic British Bigfoot's 2700 01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:08,320 for one of a better term in 2003 in an 2701 01:51:13,290 --> 01:51:10,960 area of woodland called Boleyn Lake in 2702 01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:13,300 the north of England and what was 2703 01:51:18,330 --> 01:51:16,000 interesting is that John said from the 2704 01:51:19,980 --> 01:51:18,340 side he looks like a classic Bigfoot 2705 01:51:21,870 --> 01:51:19,990 like a large lumbering thing charging 2706 01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:21,880 through the woods but as it ran it 2707 01:51:25,260 --> 01:51:23,320 wasn't even two dimension it was one 2708 01:51:27,060 --> 01:51:25,270 diamond she was like a shadow there was 2709 01:51:29,640 --> 01:51:27,070 just literally no subsidies almost like 2710 01:51:31,650 --> 01:51:29,650 something was you know projected onto 2711 01:51:32,940 --> 01:51:31,660 the trees and you know the shadow was 2712 01:51:35,070 --> 01:51:32,950 picked up on the trees but he said it 2713 01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:35,080 was just like a solid black form but he 2714 01:51:39,210 --> 01:51:36,910 literally had no depth - it was almost 2715 01:51:40,650 --> 01:51:39,220 like imagine a shadow running a long way 2716 01:51:43,230 --> 01:51:40,660 you could see the shadow on both sides 2717 01:51:45,570 --> 01:51:43,240 but it was totally one-dimensional like 2718 01:51:48,750 --> 01:51:45,580 a you know a plank of thin wood or paper 2719 01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:48,760 or whatever well we have a couple of 2720 01:51:52,650 --> 01:51:51,130 questions that are very similar one is 2721 01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:52,660 again from pole to worst and the other 2722 01:51:58,530 --> 01:51:56,050 is from our former moderator angel of 2723 01:52:00,480 --> 01:51:58,540 Loren who has calls himself our friendly 2724 01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:00,490 skeptic poulterer's wants to know if you 2725 01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:03,610 have a favorite monster and Angela wants 2726 01:52:08,130 --> 01:52:06,730 to know what your favorite topic is that 2727 01:52:09,080 --> 01:52:08,140 you've covered and which one is your 2728 01:52:13,820 --> 01:52:09,090 favorite 2729 01:52:16,640 --> 01:52:13,830 months he's probably a pretty obscure 2730 01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:16,650 one it's known as the Houston Batman and 2731 01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:18,570 he kind of sounds like Owlman which it 2732 01:52:24,770 --> 01:52:21,780 actually is but this is the scuse me 2733 01:52:26,630 --> 01:52:24,780 Mothman I mean Batman's a similar 2734 01:52:29,240 --> 01:52:26,640 creature in England but the Mothman 2735 01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:29,250 sightings which affected the town of 2736 01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:31,650 Point Pleasant West Virginia occurred in 2737 01:52:38,030 --> 01:52:33,360 the mid sixties and came to their height 2738 01:52:40,370 --> 01:52:38,040 in 1967 well 15 years before in the city 2739 01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:40,380 of Houston Texas there was a report that 2740 01:52:45,170 --> 01:52:42,270 made the newspapers of a creature that 2741 01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:45,180 was became known as a Houston Batman and 2742 01:52:49,100 --> 01:52:47,280 it was seen by several people late one 2743 01:52:51,770 --> 01:52:49,110 night and it was described as like a 2744 01:52:55,100 --> 01:52:51,780 large man-like creature that was seen 2745 01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,110 sort of stooped in a large tree and he 2746 01:53:01,160 --> 01:52:56,880 had like a humanoid shape and glowing 2747 01:53:02,810 --> 01:53:01,170 eyes and these large wings and the 2748 01:53:05,660 --> 01:53:02,820 witnesses were sort of terrified by the 2749 01:53:06,860 --> 01:53:05,670 sight of it and it sort of just rose up 2750 01:53:09,530 --> 01:53:06,870 into the air kind of like a helicopter 2751 01:53:11,450 --> 01:53:09,540 would you know not by a furious beating 2752 01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:11,460 of wings and that's air actually a lot 2753 01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:13,980 of people have described Mothman you 2754 01:53:18,980 --> 01:53:15,420 know it kind of rises into the air 2755 01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:18,990 vertically but the Houston Batman one 2756 01:53:23,420 --> 01:53:20,820 fascinates me I mean I live in Dallas 2757 01:53:24,740 --> 01:53:23,430 Texas so Houston's not that far away and 2758 01:53:27,620 --> 01:53:24,750 I've done a number of investigations 2759 01:53:32,090 --> 01:53:27,630 into it and actually a few reports that 2760 01:53:33,890 --> 01:53:32,100 post-date 1952 the most recent one out 2761 01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:33,900 from the city was uncovered by a friend 2762 01:53:39,140 --> 01:53:35,940 and colleague of mine ken Gerhard 2763 01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:39,150 and Ken uncovered a case where this sort 2764 01:53:44,510 --> 01:53:41,130 of winged humanoid creature was seen 2765 01:53:46,010 --> 01:53:44,520 lurking on the top of a building in 2766 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:46,020 Houston in the late nineteen nineties 2767 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:48,090 and the best way I can describe it it 2768 01:53:52,460 --> 01:53:49,530 kind of sounds just like the creature 2769 01:53:54,050 --> 01:53:52,470 out of the Jeepers Creepers movies you 2770 01:53:56,570 --> 01:53:54,060 know the sort of ominous looking dark 2771 01:53:58,940 --> 01:53:56,580 shadowy creature that you know surfaces 2772 01:54:00,890 --> 01:53:58,950 from time to time and that's so a 2773 01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:00,900 fascinating one for me because it's 2774 01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:02,850 little known and sort of little 2775 01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:05,550 investigative as well and so might have 2776 01:54:09,890 --> 01:54:07,650 to do a bit more into that one and what 2777 01:54:12,700 --> 01:54:09,900 was the other part of the question - 2778 01:54:15,410 --> 01:54:12,710 favorite topic within the subject matter 2779 01:54:17,240 --> 01:54:15,420 but without that cryptozoology of all 2780 01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:17,250 the stuff I investigated cryptozoology 2781 01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,610 is my biggest interest and sort of the 2782 01:54:25,460 --> 01:54:22,560 the subgroup within crypt 2783 01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:25,470 zoology will probably be one or two 2784 01:54:30,110 --> 01:54:27,270 things either the British Bigfoot stuff 2785 01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:30,120 or the Puerto Rican chupacabra which 2786 01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:32,040 have been on a number investigations and 2787 01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:33,870 expeditions looking for the chupacabra 2788 01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:36,450 and although in terms of media coverage 2789 01:54:41,090 --> 01:54:38,730 even within paranormal maybe you know 2790 01:54:43,460 --> 01:54:41,100 it's certainly not at the hiding was in 2791 01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:43,470 the 1990s you know I still like to get 2792 01:54:48,170 --> 01:54:46,290 back there and you know do a few 2793 01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:48,180 investigations because I like Puerto 2794 01:54:51,980 --> 01:54:49,830 Rico as well it's a cool place you know 2795 01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:51,990 you can sort of go out and do and import 2796 01:54:56,300 --> 01:54:54,210 a chopper cavalry investigation and go 2797 01:54:58,220 --> 01:54:56,310 back to San Juan and drink cold beer all 2798 01:55:02,450 --> 01:54:58,230 night you know so it's it's a cool place 2799 01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:02,460 I always have to wonder here of course 2800 01:55:06,980 --> 01:55:04,560 that if you do that and drink the cold 2801 01:55:10,040 --> 01:55:06,990 beer does that color your perception of 2802 01:55:12,710 --> 01:55:10,050 what you're seeing sometimes what the 2803 01:55:15,050 --> 01:55:12,720 skeptics say well he saw a Bigfoot after 2804 01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:15,060 you know drinking six pints of beer well 2805 01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:16,890 you think about it why would drinking 2806 01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:19,890 beer make you hallucinate seeing Bigfoot 2807 01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:21,300 it wouldn't you know that's when 2808 01:55:24,830 --> 01:55:22,650 skeptics say that sort of think it's 2809 01:55:26,210 --> 01:55:24,840 ridiculous it's like Oh will he see 2810 01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:26,220 drank six pints of beer and 2811 01:55:31,250 --> 01:55:28,770 hallucinating seeing I know the Statue 2812 01:55:33,170 --> 01:55:31,260 of Liberty walking down Times Square or 2813 01:55:34,550 --> 01:55:33,180 something now beer doesn't do that to 2814 01:55:36,410 --> 01:55:34,560 you and it's ridiculous when the 2815 01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:36,420 skeptics say what an hour average you've 2816 01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:38,370 drunk before a sighting that's because 2817 01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:40,440 alcohol doesn't cause you to Lucy night 2818 01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:42,810 monsters I like a few definitions here 2819 01:55:46,970 --> 01:55:44,970 for listeners we have classified 2820 01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:46,980 documents on bizarre creatures and 2821 01:55:51,260 --> 01:55:49,290 extraordinary animals so what 2822 01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:51,270 constitutes a bizarre creature as 2823 01:55:56,330 --> 01:55:53,910 opposed to an extraordinary animal the 2824 01:55:59,480 --> 01:55:56,340 book is actually sort of split into not 2825 01:56:01,310 --> 01:55:59,490 so much 50/50 but probably 8020 probably 2826 01:56:03,500 --> 01:56:01,320 80% of the stuff is what I would call 2827 01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:03,510 bizarre creatures like sea serpents lake 2828 01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:04,800 monsters Bigfoot 2829 01:56:09,490 --> 01:56:07,920 the Yeti things like that now there are 2830 01:56:12,230 --> 01:56:09,500 several chapters on what I would call 2831 01:56:15,770 --> 01:56:12,240 extraordinary animals one classic one 2832 01:56:18,050 --> 01:56:15,780 involves a CIA projects from the 1960s 2833 01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:18,060 it was codenamed acoustic Kitty which 2834 01:56:21,890 --> 01:56:20,280 was the real name of the project it 2835 01:56:26,420 --> 01:56:21,900 basically involved 2836 01:56:29,420 --> 01:56:26,430 CIA scientists trying to turn cats into 2837 01:56:31,760 --> 01:56:29,430 like living robots kinda like a robocat 2838 01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:31,770 something along those lines and the idea 2839 01:56:36,180 --> 01:56:34,440 was to insert like antenna and radio 2840 01:56:39,240 --> 01:56:36,190 listening devices into the 2841 01:56:41,340 --> 01:56:39,250 body and tails of cats and the plan was 2842 01:56:43,890 --> 01:56:41,350 for to release them in the direct 2843 01:56:47,790 --> 01:56:43,900 vicinity of the Soviet embassy in 2844 01:56:50,190 --> 01:56:47,800 Washington DC bear - is like 1966-67 and 2845 01:56:52,830 --> 01:56:50,200 try and have the cats wander around the 2846 01:56:54,990 --> 01:56:52,840 embassy in the grounds and you know if 2847 01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:55,000 any Russian personnel were walking by at 2848 01:56:58,920 --> 01:56:57,130 the time and the cat could pick up the 2849 01:57:01,710 --> 01:56:58,930 conversation and then he could be 2850 01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:01,720 broadcast back you know to the guys in 2851 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:03,760 the van outside the embassy listening on 2852 01:57:07,410 --> 01:57:06,010 headphones they might get some snippets 2853 01:57:09,450 --> 01:57:07,420 of important conversations 2854 01:57:13,290 --> 01:57:09,460 ya know story this story has a tragic 2855 01:57:16,170 --> 01:57:13,300 ending and so they the program went 2856 01:57:18,300 --> 01:57:16,180 ahead and several cats we know were sort 2857 01:57:20,100 --> 01:57:18,310 of modified you know it's almost like 2858 01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,110 the six million dollar cats or something 2859 01:57:24,030 --> 01:57:22,480 like that we have to do the six million 2860 01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:24,040 dollar break before we find out about 2861 01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:26,170 the cats or the cats in the cradle 2862 01:57:41,940 --> 01:57:27,610 depending on how it goes Nick Redfern 2863 01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:41,950 joins gene and Chris you're in is there 2864 01:57:47,220 --> 01:57:45,280 a secret UFO agenda - strange creatures 2865 01:57:49,860 --> 01:57:47,230 from the darkest corners of the mind 2866 01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:49,870 roam the earth is there evidence for 2867 01:57:55,770 --> 01:57:52,960 mind control time travel or devious 2868 01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,780 government conspiracies find out the 2869 01:58:00,600 --> 01:57:58,080 inside scoop on the latest conspiracies 2870 01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:00,610 paranormal activity and accordion 2871 01:58:04,590 --> 01:58:02,890 phenomena when you subscribe to Tim 2872 01:58:07,770 --> 01:58:04,600 Beckley's conspiracy Turrell 2873 01:58:10,140 --> 01:58:07,780 it's jam-packed with stories special 2874 01:58:13,050 --> 01:58:10,150 book and DVD promotions and the best 2875 01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:13,060 news is absolutely free step right to 2876 01:58:19,950 --> 01:58:16,210 your mailbox plus a bonus free email 2877 01:58:21,780 --> 01:58:19,960 newsletter sent out every Friday simply 2878 01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:21,790 send an email with your name and address 2879 01:58:32,220 --> 01:58:26,770 to mystery UFO at what TV net attached 2880 01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:32,230 mr. UFO at web TV dotnet find out what 2881 01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:35,010 they don't want you to know 2882 01:58:40,450 --> 01:58:38,410 [Music] 2883 01:58:41,650 --> 01:58:40,460 have you ever felt like the United 2884 01:58:43,900 --> 01:58:41,660 States government knows way too much 2885 01:58:45,700 --> 01:58:43,910 about your financial affairs I continue 2886 01:58:47,919 --> 01:58:45,710 to hear stories about property seizures 2887 01:58:50,050 --> 01:58:47,929 frozen bank accounts confiscation of 2888 01:58:51,939 --> 01:58:50,060 stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if 2889 01:58:53,950 --> 01:58:51,949 the US citizen will ever again have the 2890 01:58:56,410 --> 01:58:53,960 right to life liberty and the pursuit of 2891 01:58:58,479 --> 01:58:56,420 happiness unfortunately with the drug 2892 01:59:01,300 --> 01:58:58,489 and money laundering Act the IRS Revenue 2893 01:59:02,650 --> 01:59:01,310 Ruling 60-45 of 1984 and the trading 2894 01:59:05,590 --> 01:59:02,660 with the enemy 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02:02:31,590 one was sort of going to be taken out 2965 02:02:35,630 --> 02:02:33,660 into the field so to speak the team 2966 02:02:38,090 --> 02:02:35,640 loaded the cat into the back of a van 2967 02:02:40,010 --> 02:02:38,100 and parked as near as they could to the 2968 02:02:42,260 --> 02:02:40,020 Russian embassy without attracting any 2969 02:02:44,300 --> 02:02:42,270 attention and I opened the back doors 2970 02:02:46,790 --> 02:02:44,310 and you know tried to encourage the cats 2971 02:02:48,470 --> 02:02:46,800 across the road and climb over the wall 2972 02:02:51,140 --> 02:02:48,480 or whatever and you know just listening 2973 02:02:52,700 --> 02:02:51,150 on conversations but unfortunately as 2974 02:02:54,020 --> 02:02:52,710 they let the cat out to the back of the 2975 02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:54,030 van and he crossed the road or she 2976 02:02:58,970 --> 02:02:56,490 crossed the road he got hit by a taxi 2977 02:03:00,840 --> 02:02:58,980 and so acoustic Kitty became splattered 2978 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:00,850 kitty 2979 02:03:05,890 --> 02:03:03,770 the project and the project was actually 2980 02:03:07,600 --> 02:03:05,900 shelled because he was seen as one of 2981 02:03:09,430 --> 02:03:07,610 his Bischoff art programs it was just 2982 02:03:11,890 --> 02:03:09,440 destined never to really work I guess 2983 02:03:14,530 --> 02:03:11,900 your tax dollars that worked and play 2984 02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:14,540 I think actually the kid is still alive 2985 02:03:19,690 --> 02:03:17,410 it's been hanging out outside my home 2986 02:03:21,610 --> 02:03:19,700 that's one example of an extraordinary 2987 02:03:23,620 --> 02:03:21,620 animal I mean another one I talked about 2988 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:23,630 in the book he's a project actually had 2989 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:25,850 more success but was ultimately also 2990 02:03:30,760 --> 02:03:29,290 shelled this relates to the 1950s 2991 02:03:34,090 --> 02:03:30,770 1952-53 2992 02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:34,100 when the US Army secretly initiated like 2993 02:03:40,390 --> 02:03:37,250 a small project to determine if dogs 2994 02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:40,400 cats and even pigeons possessed actually 2995 02:03:46,540 --> 02:03:43,490 sensory perception ESP and the idea was 2996 02:03:49,450 --> 02:03:46,550 if they did possess ESP could it be used 2997 02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:49,460 to train the animals to find land mines 2998 02:03:54,580 --> 02:03:51,920 buried on battlefields that's the scene 2999 02:03:56,260 --> 02:03:54,590 of American troops ready to battle there 3000 02:03:59,380 --> 02:03:56,270 were concerns that the enemy had laid 3001 02:04:01,150 --> 02:03:59,390 down minefields in the area they would 3002 02:04:03,610 --> 02:04:01,160 let the dogs the cats and the pigeons 3003 02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:03,620 loose and they could psychically use 3004 02:04:07,810 --> 02:04:05,510 their powers of the mind to determine 3005 02:04:09,910 --> 02:04:07,820 where the landmines were and this is a 3006 02:04:12,460 --> 02:04:09,920 project which was heavily funded and 3007 02:04:14,410 --> 02:04:12,470 went on for about 18 months in total and 3008 02:04:15,400 --> 02:04:14,420 again I was able to get the files on 3009 02:04:18,700 --> 02:04:15,410 this through the Freedom of Information 3010 02:04:20,290 --> 02:04:18,710 Act and they talk about how to German 3011 02:04:23,170 --> 02:04:20,300 Shepherds in particular their names a 3012 02:04:25,570 --> 02:04:23,180 chassis and beanie they had had a great 3013 02:04:28,060 --> 02:04:25,580 deal of success in finding land mines 3014 02:04:30,550 --> 02:04:28,070 where the military even gone to great 3015 02:04:32,620 --> 02:04:30,560 extents and great lengths to mask the 3016 02:04:34,780 --> 02:04:32,630 odor of the land mines so they couldn't 3017 02:04:37,120 --> 02:04:34,790 be blamed on you know using the power of 3018 02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:37,130 a dog's nose to find them and they did 3019 02:04:40,780 --> 02:04:38,810 all sorts of military did all sorts of 3020 02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:40,790 tricks to you know prevent the dogs 3021 02:04:44,350 --> 02:04:42,860 finding them under normal conditions and 3022 02:04:46,150 --> 02:04:44,360 yet time and again you know they'd be 3023 02:04:48,100 --> 02:04:46,160 taken to a stretch of beach after the 3024 02:04:50,500 --> 02:04:48,110 landlines in some cases being buried 3025 02:04:52,540 --> 02:04:50,510 like six to eight feet down even these 3026 02:04:54,790 --> 02:04:52,550 are dummy ones by the way and each time 3027 02:04:56,710 --> 02:04:54,800 they found them but the problem was uh 3028 02:04:58,120 --> 02:04:56,720 nicosia n-- you know the dogs would hit 3029 02:04:59,620 --> 02:04:58,130 the beach and they just run a run and 3030 02:05:01,570 --> 02:04:59,630 play you know they couldn't be 3031 02:05:03,460 --> 02:05:01,580 controlled and so the program was 3032 02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:03,470 actually eventually shut down not 3033 02:05:07,270 --> 02:05:05,090 because there wasn't a significant 3034 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:07,280 amount of success but because the dogs 3035 02:05:12,010 --> 02:05:09,530 but sometimes it's who are excited and 3036 02:05:13,569 --> 02:05:12,020 so it was unpredictable you know the 3037 02:05:15,220 --> 02:05:13,579 success of what they couldn't understand 3038 02:05:17,109 --> 02:05:15,230 why were but they were clear they were 3039 02:05:18,729 --> 02:05:17,119 sure that he did work but the dogs 3040 02:05:20,560 --> 02:05:18,739 couldn't be you know he didn't follow 3041 02:05:22,419 --> 02:05:20,570 orders like troops would you know they 3042 02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:22,429 they were their own masters so to speak 3043 02:05:26,109 --> 02:05:24,290 and he was seen as a bit too hazardous 3044 02:05:27,910 --> 02:05:26,119 and unpredictable so it was all just 3045 02:05:30,399 --> 02:05:27,920 closed down but everybody on the project 3046 02:05:32,890 --> 02:05:30,409 agreed that they really had some good 3047 02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:32,900 successes you know in terms of of using 3048 02:05:38,169 --> 02:05:35,840 ESP it was dogs being dogs yeah exactly 3049 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:38,179 dogs are being dogs sometimes I play and 3050 02:05:41,830 --> 02:05:40,010 sometimes it work but unfortunately the 3051 02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:41,840 military wanting them always it works 3052 02:05:47,680 --> 02:05:44,480 mmm that doesn't work at all that 3053 02:05:49,089 --> 02:05:47,690 doesn't like if you take dogs to a beach 3054 02:05:50,709 --> 02:05:49,099 you know they're gonna see the beach the 3055 02:05:52,990 --> 02:05:50,719 sand and the water and they're gonna run 3056 02:05:54,760 --> 02:05:53,000 it you know just have a good time soon I 3057 02:05:57,520 --> 02:05:54,770 never thought my dog being used for any 3058 02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:57,530 real purpose other than having fun oh 3059 02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:00,800 but he's so cute Jean that's true and he 3060 02:06:07,030 --> 02:06:03,199 likes everybody you know I don't want to 3061 02:06:09,669 --> 02:06:07,040 make the dog feel jaded about what the 3062 02:06:11,770 --> 02:06:09,679 world is really like now expanding on 3063 02:06:13,930 --> 02:06:11,780 your stuff we touched upon this in a 3064 02:06:16,479 --> 02:06:13,940 previous segment but how far did you 3065 02:06:18,729 --> 02:06:16,489 expand things beyond the USA one of the 3066 02:06:21,700 --> 02:06:18,739 things I found was British government 3067 02:06:24,490 --> 02:06:21,710 files on what are known as ABCs or alien 3068 02:06:26,919 --> 02:06:24,500 big cats and this is a phenomenon that 3069 02:06:29,589 --> 02:06:26,929 is heavily reported across Britain where 3070 02:06:31,299 --> 02:06:29,599 every year people see what sound like 3071 02:06:33,069 --> 02:06:31,309 large black cats you know little hues 3072 02:06:34,810 --> 02:06:33,079 black leopards and there shouldn't be 3073 02:06:36,430 --> 02:06:34,820 anything like that in running wild in 3074 02:06:38,740 --> 02:06:36,440 Britain you know there are no large 3075 02:06:41,229 --> 02:06:38,750 indigenous cats anywhere in the UK oh 3076 02:06:43,299 --> 02:06:41,239 there shouldn't be the largest cat that 3077 02:06:45,729 --> 02:06:43,309 beyond the domestic house cat is called 3078 02:06:47,919 --> 02:06:45,739 the Scottish Wildcats and it sounds kind 3079 02:06:49,930 --> 02:06:47,929 of impressive but it's actually barely 3080 02:06:51,549 --> 02:06:49,940 any bigger than a normal cat but it's 3081 02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:51,559 quite it actually is quite ferocious and 3082 02:06:55,419 --> 02:06:53,210 they will attack people but you know 3083 02:06:57,760 --> 02:06:55,429 they're just regular-sized cats for the 3084 02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,770 most part but people say you know things 3085 02:07:02,799 --> 02:06:59,119 from the size of like mountain lions 3086 02:07:05,439 --> 02:07:02,809 roaming the UK and again using Freedom 3087 02:07:07,330 --> 02:07:05,449 of Information regulations in the UK I 3088 02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:07,340 got hold of a lot of reports where 3089 02:07:15,250 --> 02:07:11,840 police forces around the UK actually got 3090 02:07:15,959 --> 02:07:15,260 a lot of files and records are on one 3091 02:07:18,580 --> 02:07:15,969 file 3092 02:07:21,700 --> 02:07:18,590 concerning sightings of these large cats 3093 02:07:24,040 --> 02:07:21,710 and on a number of cases the force 3094 02:07:25,959 --> 02:07:24,050 helicopters have been sent out with like 3095 02:07:27,220 --> 02:07:25,969 no scope equipment and heat-seeking 3096 02:07:28,990 --> 02:07:27,230 equipment to look 3097 02:07:32,530 --> 02:07:29,000 these cats the reports are taken very 3098 02:07:34,150 --> 02:07:32,540 very seriously now to date at least you 3099 02:07:37,900 --> 02:07:34,160 know that nobody's being killed by one 3100 02:07:39,490 --> 02:07:37,910 of these cats and they seem fairly happy 3101 02:07:41,290 --> 02:07:39,500 to sort of stay in the background and 3102 02:07:44,470 --> 02:07:41,300 just live on you know animals in the 3103 02:07:46,060 --> 02:07:44,480 wild but I think there's probably some 3104 02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:46,070 government concern that if one of these 3105 02:07:49,450 --> 02:07:47,690 things was ever caused or killed you 3106 02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:49,460 know hysteria break out and the 3107 02:07:53,920 --> 02:07:51,650 particular tabloid media would start 3108 02:07:56,170 --> 02:07:53,930 talking about killer beasts being on the 3109 02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:56,180 loose and whatever so it's clear from 3110 02:08:00,820 --> 02:07:58,400 the files that I don't think the 3111 02:08:02,200 --> 02:08:00,830 government has it well I say that don't 3112 02:08:03,820 --> 02:08:02,210 think the government has proof of the 3113 02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:03,830 beast cats exist that are rumors that 3114 02:08:07,479 --> 02:08:05,810 the military and the government have 3115 02:08:09,130 --> 02:08:07,489 shot several of these cats and hidden 3116 02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:09,140 the evidence because they don't want to 3117 02:08:14,710 --> 02:08:12,530 provoke hysteria and concern but that 3118 02:08:16,990 --> 02:08:14,720 keeps clear from the files that they do 3119 02:08:19,420 --> 02:08:17,000 play down the presence of these big cats 3120 02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:19,430 in Britain because of the fear you know 3121 02:08:25,300 --> 02:08:22,610 of things spiraling out of control etc 3122 02:08:27,490 --> 02:08:25,310 that's an interesting area and I also 3123 02:08:30,010 --> 02:08:27,500 cover a number of other nations in the 3124 02:08:32,500 --> 02:08:30,020 book one being Australia this emulation 3125 02:08:34,360 --> 02:08:32,510 to a creature knows of the thylacine the 3126 02:08:36,550 --> 02:08:34,370 policy was a real animal that became or 3127 02:08:39,340 --> 02:08:36,560 supposed to became extinct in the mid 3128 02:08:41,229 --> 02:08:39,350 1930s and it was a marsupial that's to 3129 02:08:43,630 --> 02:08:41,239 say like a kangaroo it carries its young 3130 02:08:46,120 --> 02:08:43,640 in a pouch but it looked like a cross 3131 02:08:48,670 --> 02:08:46,130 between a German Shepherd a coyote and a 3132 02:08:50,650 --> 02:08:48,680 tiger and had these large stripes down 3133 02:08:52,810 --> 02:08:50,660 his body and it could actually open its 3134 02:08:55,360 --> 02:08:52,820 jaws like a snake and you know almost 3135 02:08:57,550 --> 02:08:55,370 like dislocate its jaws to have them 3136 02:08:58,720 --> 02:08:57,560 almost like running a 180 degrees 3137 02:09:01,000 --> 02:08:58,730 parallel to each other 3138 02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:01,010 I again through freedom of information 3139 02:09:06,850 --> 02:09:04,010 got hold of files showing how various 3140 02:09:09,820 --> 02:09:06,860 arms of the Australian wildlife agencies 3141 02:09:12,130 --> 02:09:09,830 had actually been monitoring reports of 3142 02:09:12,970 --> 02:09:12,140 Defiler sign and sightings right up to 3143 02:09:15,130 --> 02:09:12,980 the present day 3144 02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:15,140 it makes us sort of fascinating reading 3145 02:09:20,020 --> 02:09:16,970 these weren't so much classified and 3146 02:09:22,479 --> 02:09:20,030 secret files but there were just records 3147 02:09:24,090 --> 02:09:22,489 where dossiers had been put together and 3148 02:09:26,170 --> 02:09:24,100 over the years you know they paint this 3149 02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:26,180 fascinating picture of this creature 3150 02:09:30,490 --> 02:09:28,010 that pretty much everybody says there's 3151 02:09:32,380 --> 02:09:30,500 no way can still exist the Australian 3152 02:09:34,479 --> 02:09:32,390 government files seem to suggest it 3153 02:09:36,220 --> 02:09:34,489 really does exist and I mentioned this 3154 02:09:38,170 --> 02:09:36,230 for a couple of reasons one because it's 3155 02:09:40,459 --> 02:09:38,180 an official government file on a 3156 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--> 02:15:04,980 sound more like a Dalek hey I can't do 3283 02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:06,840 it that was kinda like me being 3284 02:15:12,170 --> 02:15:10,320 possessed and doing some weird I don't 3285 02:15:15,290 --> 02:15:12,180 know a cult ritual maybe something like 3286 02:15:17,860 --> 02:15:15,300 that in it Nick Redfern is now a Dalek 3287 02:15:20,240 --> 02:15:17,870 ladies and gentlemen a little bit 3288 02:15:24,050 --> 02:15:20,250 impression as well let me from Motorhead 3289 02:15:26,930 --> 02:15:24,060 for people don't know oh yes they're 3290 02:15:30,170 --> 02:15:26,940 blaming on Lemmy it's all his fault 3291 02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:30,180 it's the ISIS planes exactly I suspect 3292 02:15:34,370 --> 02:15:30,960 that's right 3293 02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:34,380 I couldn't resist okay there's the 3294 02:15:39,230 --> 02:15:37,050 Pentagon have the body of Bigfoot on ice 3295 02:15:41,450 --> 02:15:39,240 well I mean again this sort of relates 3296 02:15:43,460 --> 02:15:41,460 to the Mount st. Helens story and one 3297 02:15:46,670 --> 02:15:43,470 other one I have in the book where this 3298 02:15:47,590 --> 02:15:46,680 goes back to the early 1960s where the 3299 02:15:53,000 --> 02:15:47,600 Iceman 3300 02:15:54,620 --> 02:15:53,010 similar case where reportedly a body of 3301 02:15:57,530 --> 02:15:54,630 one of these creatures has been found 3302 02:16:00,020 --> 02:15:57,540 and the the way this story relates of 3303 02:16:01,700 --> 02:16:00,030 Mount st. Helens in this 1960s case I 3304 02:16:04,070 --> 02:16:01,710 talked about it he supposedly the 3305 02:16:07,340 --> 02:16:04,080 military got their hands on one of these 3306 02:16:10,340 --> 02:16:07,350 creatures and very weirdly talks about 3307 02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:10,350 how it appeared to be like a just an 3308 02:16:15,950 --> 02:16:12,810 unknown ape-like animal but he had 32 3309 02:16:18,350 --> 02:16:15,960 teeth like a human and very bizarrely 3310 02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:18,360 the story is that he had some sort of 3311 02:16:23,480 --> 02:16:21,690 weird metallic device implanted or 3312 02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:23,490 inserted under its Keener I think it was 3313 02:16:27,410 --> 02:16:25,290 the left forearm or the right forearm 3314 02:16:29,420 --> 02:16:27,420 there was speculation or was it a 3315 02:16:31,490 --> 02:16:29,430 tracking device or some sort of bugging 3316 02:16:33,980 --> 02:16:31,500 device and if it was who on earth or 3317 02:16:36,320 --> 02:16:33,990 office you know put it there but they 3318 02:16:38,180 --> 02:16:36,330 weird story I mean given to me by one 3319 02:16:40,370 --> 02:16:38,190 guy who got the story from his 3320 02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:40,380 grandfather who served in the military 3321 02:16:44,390 --> 02:16:42,330 so you know it was a little bit of a 3322 02:16:46,970 --> 02:16:44,400 friend of a friend story but he went on 3323 02:16:48,379 --> 02:16:46,980 the record with his real name and his 3324 02:16:49,879 --> 02:16:48,389 thought and his grandfather's real name 3325 02:16:52,610 --> 02:16:49,889 and but it's one of these stories for 3326 02:16:54,379 --> 02:16:52,620 which nothing official has ever surfaced 3327 02:16:56,419 --> 02:16:54,389 and you know and I note that in the book 3328 02:16:59,419 --> 02:16:56,429 I point that out the fact that you know 3329 02:17:00,950 --> 02:16:59,429 it's one of these cases where it's 3330 02:17:02,900 --> 02:17:00,960 take it or leave it but you know I often 3331 02:17:05,179 --> 02:17:02,910 with the witness historian published 3332 02:17:07,059 --> 02:17:05,189 these because when you reach a stumbling 3333 02:17:09,919 --> 02:17:07,069 block and you've got no documentation 3334 02:17:11,900 --> 02:17:09,929 sometimes just relating the bare facts 3335 02:17:13,459 --> 02:17:11,910 brings forward other people who say well 3336 02:17:15,320 --> 02:17:13,469 you know I knew something about that and 3337 02:17:17,570 --> 02:17:15,330 then that can potentially open another 3338 02:17:19,040 --> 02:17:17,580 door so that's why I included it but you 3339 02:17:21,290 --> 02:17:19,050 know it's a bizarre story when it goes 3340 02:17:23,360 --> 02:17:21,300 from the military investigating or 3341 02:17:25,939 --> 02:17:23,370 autopsy what seems to be a gorilla and 3342 02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:25,949 then unknown type of gorillas or ape and 3343 02:17:30,889 --> 02:17:27,840 then they suddenly stumble across this 3344 02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:30,899 weird device implanted in its arm and it 3345 02:17:35,870 --> 02:17:33,840 wasn't done by one of our military well 3346 02:17:38,179 --> 02:17:35,880 no I mean the story was that the reason 3347 02:17:40,820 --> 02:17:38,189 why the Bigfoot was dead was because it 3348 02:17:43,459 --> 02:17:40,830 was reportedly shot outside a NASA 3349 02:17:45,469 --> 02:17:43,469 installation outside the boundaries and 3350 02:17:47,179 --> 02:17:45,479 the reason it was shot was because the 3351 02:17:48,860 --> 02:17:47,189 poor thing there are weird lights seen 3352 02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:48,870 hovering over the woods the previous 3353 02:17:53,150 --> 02:17:51,449 night and one of the guards got panicky 3354 02:17:54,889 --> 02:17:53,160 and shot into the heart of the woods 3355 02:17:56,990 --> 02:17:54,899 waited to these big shadowy things 3356 02:17:59,089 --> 02:17:57,000 moving and reportedly killed the 3357 02:18:01,040 --> 02:17:59,099 creature so not only do you have this 3358 02:18:02,750 --> 02:18:01,050 creature with this thing in its arm but 3359 02:18:05,179 --> 02:18:02,760 it's the sighting of it and the exact 3360 02:18:07,309 --> 02:18:05,189 location tied in with these weird like 3361 02:18:09,620 --> 02:18:07,319 basketball-sized lights hovering over 3362 02:18:13,339 --> 02:18:09,630 the surrounding woods as well from the 3363 02:18:15,950 --> 02:18:13,349 Ike's Department the Bureau of yikes 3364 02:18:23,650 --> 02:18:15,960 yeah like what was that outside of 3365 02:18:27,950 --> 02:18:23,660 redstone you know hi and he was sort of 3366 02:18:29,570 --> 02:18:27,960 1962 or three I think it was well during 3367 02:18:32,209 --> 02:18:29,580 that same time period a little later you 3368 02:18:34,160 --> 02:18:32,219 have the the infamous Minnesota Iceman 3369 02:18:36,679 --> 02:18:34,170 now you came up with some interesting 3370 02:18:38,900 --> 02:18:36,689 new information about that that I was 3371 02:18:40,939 --> 02:18:38,910 unaware of why don't you give us a quick 3372 02:18:42,950 --> 02:18:40,949 thumbnail sketch of this particular case 3373 02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:42,960 it's pretty pretty interesting Ivan 3374 02:18:48,620 --> 02:18:46,370 Sanderson the famed almost legendary 3375 02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:48,630 cryptozoologist evidently had some time 3376 02:18:52,849 --> 02:18:51,210 to examine this thing and in as it was 3377 02:18:55,189 --> 02:18:52,859 encased in this block of ice why don't 3378 02:18:57,379 --> 02:18:55,199 you give us a thumbnail sketch well yes 3379 02:19:00,620 --> 02:18:57,389 the story the Minnesota Iceman goes back 3380 02:19:03,519 --> 02:19:00,630 to the mid 1960s and a guy named Frank 3381 02:19:05,330 --> 02:19:03,529 Hanson he was somebody who he was a 3382 02:19:07,580 --> 02:19:05,340 businessman who would put things 3383 02:19:09,379 --> 02:19:07,590 strange-looking things on display like 3384 02:19:11,479 --> 02:19:09,389 state fairs you know sort of like a 3385 02:19:12,629 --> 02:19:11,489 latter-day equivalents of being like 3386 02:19:15,809 --> 02:19:12,639 freak shows that's 3387 02:19:17,839 --> 02:19:15,819 thing Hansen had this eight like or 3388 02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:17,849 semi-human primitive-looking creature 3389 02:19:22,200 --> 02:19:20,409 encased in a block of ice that we put on 3390 02:19:24,149 --> 02:19:22,210 display that became known as the 3391 02:19:25,889 --> 02:19:24,159 Minnesota Iceman because one of the 3392 02:19:29,099 --> 02:19:25,899 theories was that it was shot dead in 3393 02:19:31,379 --> 02:19:29,109 Minnesota but the other story was that 3394 02:19:34,649 --> 02:19:31,389 it was a primitive humanoid a flight 3395 02:19:36,750 --> 02:19:34,659 creature shot and killed by US forces in 3396 02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:36,760 the Vietnam War and then smuggled back 3397 02:19:41,910 --> 02:19:39,250 to the US in a body bag and actually 3398 02:19:44,129 --> 02:19:41,920 handed over to an anonymous millionaire 3399 02:19:45,269 --> 02:19:44,139 who had a rep parently arranged or knew 3400 02:19:47,160 --> 02:19:45,279 the creatures lived over there and 3401 02:19:49,380 --> 02:19:47,170 arranged for to one be to be brought 3402 02:19:51,899 --> 02:19:49,390 back to him now there's a lot of debate 3403 02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:51,909 as to whether or not what Frank had sent 3404 02:19:57,290 --> 02:19:54,250 Hanson had on display was a real 3405 02:20:00,719 --> 02:19:57,300 creature or was it a sophisticated 3406 02:20:03,719 --> 02:20:00,729 mock-up like a dummy or there's a second 3407 02:20:05,969 --> 02:20:03,729 theory that the original creature that 3408 02:20:07,860 --> 02:20:05,979 answer not on display was the genuine 3409 02:20:10,920 --> 02:20:07,870 article but then it was returned to this 3410 02:20:12,899 --> 02:20:10,930 anonymous millionaire and Hanson wanted 3411 02:20:16,620 --> 02:20:12,909 to continue promoting it and earning 3412 02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:16,630 money so he had a dubbing model made to 3413 02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,370 the same specifications and put that on 3414 02:20:22,679 --> 02:20:20,560 display now whatever the answer is we 3415 02:20:25,019 --> 02:20:22,689 know that one the latter version was a 3416 02:20:26,820 --> 02:20:25,029 dummy and it's actually on display now 3417 02:20:28,860 --> 02:20:26,830 it's a place called the Museum of the 3418 02:20:30,740 --> 02:20:28,870 weird which is in Austin Texas you can 3419 02:20:32,939 --> 02:20:30,750 go down there and see the one that 3420 02:20:35,130 --> 02:20:32,949 Hanson put on display for like the last 3421 02:20:37,040 --> 02:20:35,140 20 years but the first 10 years is the 3422 02:20:39,960 --> 02:20:37,050 one that sort of interests us more now 3423 02:20:42,360 --> 02:20:39,970 there was a lot of talk at the time but 3424 02:20:46,620 --> 02:20:42,370 it was a primitive human not a nun no 3425 02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:46,630 ape and this rumor got back to the FBI 3426 02:20:50,460 --> 02:20:49,210 and because the FBI heard a rumor that 3427 02:20:52,320 --> 02:20:50,470 not only was the Minnesota Iceman 3428 02:20:55,380 --> 02:20:52,330 potentially a primitive human but had 3429 02:20:57,210 --> 02:20:55,390 been shot then the whole issue and the 3430 02:21:00,269 --> 02:20:57,220 legislation surrounding well does that 3431 02:21:02,389 --> 02:21:00,279 mean it was a murder that sort of crops 3432 02:21:05,070 --> 02:21:02,399 up and what happened was that 3433 02:21:07,679 --> 02:21:05,080 represented after the FBI a local 3434 02:21:09,149 --> 02:21:07,689 special agent who was local to the area 3435 02:21:10,620 --> 02:21:09,159 where Hanson was living at the time 3436 02:21:12,210 --> 02:21:10,630 actually turned up on his doorstep 3437 02:21:14,040 --> 02:21:12,220 and said you know I want to see this 3438 02:21:16,920 --> 02:21:14,050 creature the Minnesota Iceman we've 3439 02:21:18,960 --> 02:21:16,930 heard he could be a human type creature 3440 02:21:21,330 --> 02:21:18,970 but he could have been killed as a 3441 02:21:23,099 --> 02:21:21,340 result of murder and so Hanson was a bit 3442 02:21:25,679 --> 02:21:23,109 concerned and agreed obviously to show 3443 02:21:26,550 --> 02:21:25,689 it to the FBI and but he said well you 3444 02:21:28,559 --> 02:21:26,560 know I think 3445 02:21:30,569 --> 02:21:28,569 today and he looked at it and said well 3446 02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:30,579 it looks like an eighth and whatever 3447 02:21:35,490 --> 02:21:33,010 type of a it is it still an 8 so the guy 3448 02:21:37,130 --> 02:21:35,500 sort of left bit abused I'm a shampoo 3449 02:21:40,410 --> 02:21:37,140 when the sort of work the FBI was 3450 02:21:41,700 --> 02:21:40,420 usually involved in but Frank Hanson 3451 02:21:44,429 --> 02:21:41,710 never once a sort of miss up on 3452 02:21:46,380 --> 02:21:44,439 opportunity to promote his product built 3453 02:21:47,580 --> 02:21:46,390 this big sign and painted on it's 3454 02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:47,590 something along the lines of the 3455 02:21:52,290 --> 02:21:50,130 Minnesota Iceman investigated by the FBI 3456 02:21:55,229 --> 02:21:52,300 which I'm sure probably didn't please 3457 02:21:57,090 --> 02:21:55,239 the FBI too much but he studied next to 3458 02:21:59,939 --> 02:21:57,100 the display every time it was it was 3459 02:22:02,040 --> 02:21:59,949 shown so again shows like a bizarre 3460 02:22:04,500 --> 02:22:02,050 aspect to how the government has got 3461 02:22:07,139 --> 02:22:04,510 involved in cryptozoology well speaking 3462 02:22:09,450 --> 02:22:07,149 of Vietnam the story I heard is that the 3463 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:09,460 creature was shot by troops during the 3464 02:22:14,460 --> 02:22:11,770 Vietnam War I think you mentioned also 3465 02:22:16,260 --> 02:22:14,470 near Danang isn't there a river where 3466 02:22:19,229 --> 02:22:16,270 some of our personnel over there during 3467 02:22:23,160 --> 02:22:19,239 the war saw these huge giant snakes or 3468 02:22:25,080 --> 02:22:23,170 something talked about in the book again 3469 02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:25,090 he's he's wanna see the documents 3470 02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:26,890 actually stumbled upon while not 3471 02:22:31,290 --> 02:22:28,329 actually looking for anything along 3472 02:22:33,899 --> 02:22:31,300 these lines and he talks about a place 3473 02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:33,909 called the Han River in Vietnam which 3474 02:22:38,189 --> 02:22:35,920 during the Vietnam War was a very 3475 02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:38,199 strategic place nearby there was South 3476 02:22:41,969 --> 02:22:39,850 Vietnam bases we know which were 3477 02:22:43,889 --> 02:22:41,979 friendly to the US and military 3478 02:22:45,780 --> 02:22:43,899 personnel from the US for stationed 3479 02:22:47,880 --> 02:22:45,790 there the documents talked about how on 3480 02:22:50,609 --> 02:22:47,890 one occasion actually - because there's 3481 02:22:52,889 --> 02:22:50,619 like a I mean a reference to like like a 3482 02:22:54,630 --> 02:22:52,899 memory of a similar sighting occurring 3483 02:22:56,700 --> 02:22:54,640 about four or five years previous but 3484 02:22:59,490 --> 02:22:56,710 this was sort of a mid to late 60s when 3485 02:23:01,050 --> 02:22:59,500 the crew the helicopter were flying over 3486 02:23:03,120 --> 02:23:01,060 the Han River and as they were sort of 3487 02:23:06,120 --> 02:23:03,130 taken to the skies I reported to see him 3488 02:23:09,090 --> 02:23:06,130 this large snake-like creature swimming 3489 02:23:10,920 --> 02:23:09,100 below the surface of the water now had 3490 02:23:12,450 --> 02:23:10,930 it been dark 'uncle he probably would 3491 02:23:13,979 --> 02:23:12,460 have wouldn't even have seen it but it 3492 02:23:16,439 --> 02:23:13,989 was reportedly like a bright yellow 3493 02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:16,449 color and was sort of clearly visible 3494 02:23:21,000 --> 02:23:18,250 and I could tell he wasn't you know like 3495 02:23:22,109 --> 02:23:21,010 a log or a wave colored tree or anything 3496 02:23:24,479 --> 02:23:22,119 like this because I mean he was 3497 02:23:26,010 --> 02:23:24,489 extensively long and I could also 3498 02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:26,020 reported seeing what looked like four 3499 02:23:29,729 --> 02:23:28,090 flippers bright yellow flippers coming 3500 02:23:32,700 --> 02:23:29,739 from the side the body of the creature 3501 02:23:34,380 --> 02:23:32,710 and that sort of was the Kay point that 3502 02:23:36,359 --> 02:23:34,390 you know led them to believe that what 3503 02:23:38,639 --> 02:23:36,369 they were looking at was a large animal 3504 02:23:39,780 --> 02:23:38,649 creature like a light monster or a sea 3505 02:23:41,640 --> 02:23:39,790 serpent and 3506 02:23:44,190 --> 02:23:41,650 they prepare to report on it and file 3507 02:23:46,050 --> 02:23:44,200 the report and the document talks about 3508 02:23:48,511 --> 02:23:46,060 how everybody was interviewed and 3509 02:23:50,761 --> 02:23:48,521 debriefed but it was actually viewed as 3510 02:23:52,620 --> 02:23:50,771 like an amusing little events as an 3511 02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,630 aside you know just a talking point I 3512 02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:54,640 guess in the after work or whatever 3513 02:23:58,590 --> 02:23:56,560 nothing was really done with it other 3514 02:24:00,180 --> 02:23:58,600 than the you know is filed away because 3515 02:24:01,500 --> 02:24:00,190 you know the troops are fighting the 3516 02:24:03,540 --> 02:24:01,510 Vietnam War fighting the North 3517 02:24:05,400 --> 02:24:03,550 Vietnamese and aside you never see 3518 02:24:07,410 --> 02:24:05,410 Serpent's might have been interesting 3519 02:24:09,660 --> 02:24:07,420 but they had better and more important 3520 02:24:11,910 --> 02:24:09,670 things to do so it was just a case with 3521 02:24:13,410 --> 02:24:11,920 this one it was filed away and just you 3522 02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:13,420 know vanished into 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acids that are so 3620 02:28:27,679 --> 02:28:25,560 important to your body order ultimate 3621 02:28:30,139 --> 02:28:27,689 IFAs from youngevity by calling eight 3622 02:28:32,450 --> 02:28:30,149 six six seven three five two four seven 3623 02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:32,460 zero that's eight six six seven three 3624 02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:35,040 five twenty four seventy or on the web 3625 02:28:43,250 --> 02:28:37,410 at bright side been calm that's bright 3626 02:28:45,170 --> 02:28:43,260 side been calm order today this is 3627 02:28:47,330 --> 02:28:45,180 leslie cain and i'm with the Coalition 3628 02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:47,340 for freedom of information and you are 3629 02:28:53,929 --> 02:28:51,200 listening to the podcast Nick Redfern 3630 02:28:55,849 --> 02:28:53,939 offered monstre files drained gene and 3631 02:28:57,560 --> 02:28:55,859 Chris in the power cast there's so many 3632 02:28:59,420 --> 02:28:57,570 thousands of questions we can get to I'm 3633 02:29:02,330 --> 02:28:59,430 going to go catch as catch can with a 3634 02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:02,340 few others here and that is the US 3635 02:29:08,389 --> 02:29:06,000 government any suggestions ideas what 3636 02:29:13,130 --> 02:29:08,399 they might know that we ought to get our 3637 02:29:15,020 --> 02:29:13,140 hands on oh well yeah I mean for me I'm 3638 02:29:16,730 --> 02:29:15,030 fascinated by the fact that they're 3639 02:29:19,370 --> 02:29:16,740 fascinated with Bigfoot's you know we 3640 02:29:21,740 --> 02:29:19,380 get a lot of reports of military 3641 02:29:22,820 --> 02:29:21,750 interest in Bigfoots cases I think I 3642 02:29:24,860 --> 02:29:22,830 have a whole chapter in the book 3643 02:29:27,050 --> 02:29:24,870 concerning a well-respected researcher 3644 02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:27,060 named Stan Gordon who's been in the 3645 02:29:31,490 --> 02:29:29,520 field for many decades and we should 3646 02:29:33,230 --> 02:29:31,500 mention to our listeners he's been on 3647 02:29:34,969 --> 02:29:33,240 the show a number of times okay well 3648 02:29:36,800 --> 02:29:34,979 yeah cool Stan's done an excellent book 3649 02:29:39,380 --> 02:29:36,810 called silent invasion which deals with 3650 02:29:44,150 --> 02:29:39,390 a Bigfoot wave in Pennsylvania Western 3651 02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:44,160 leads in the early 70s 73 to 74 and at 3652 02:29:50,660 --> 02:29:46,290 the height of Stan's inquiries he got a 3653 02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:50,670 lot of reports suggesting local military 3654 02:29:53,011 --> 02:29:52,080 and government involvement in 3655 02:29:54,930 --> 02:29:53,021 interesting least 3656 02:29:57,211 --> 02:29:54,940 stan himself was visited by two 3657 02:29:58,801 --> 02:29:57,221 government representatives who said you 3658 02:30:00,810 --> 02:29:58,811 know keep us informed it wasn't like a 3659 02:30:02,970 --> 02:30:00,820 sinister man in black bears it all a 3660 02:30:04,830 --> 02:30:02,980 threat it was just how you know doing 3661 02:30:07,680 --> 02:30:04,840 cover anything interesting just keep us 3662 02:30:09,900 --> 02:30:07,690 informed but we're looking into this 3663 02:30:13,020 --> 02:30:09,910 but he also uncovered cases where 3664 02:30:14,790 --> 02:30:13,030 military personnel had visited witnesses 3665 02:30:16,410 --> 02:30:14,800 to Bigfoot and shown them again not like 3666 02:30:18,091 --> 02:30:16,420 many black stuff but that actually shown 3667 02:30:20,280 --> 02:30:18,101 them photographs that the military had 3668 02:30:22,620 --> 02:30:20,290 on file of Bigfoot and said did this 3669 02:30:24,660 --> 02:30:22,630 look like anything that you saw and 3670 02:30:27,270 --> 02:30:24,670 what's interesting is that all the cases 3671 02:30:29,220 --> 02:30:27,280 that Stan found where the military have 3672 02:30:32,190 --> 02:30:29,230 taken an interest in Bigfoot they were 3673 02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:32,200 all associated with other phenomena as 3674 02:30:37,140 --> 02:30:35,050 well like strange lights in the sky like 3675 02:30:39,421 --> 02:30:37,150 people going into trances even when the 3676 02:30:42,030 --> 02:30:39,431 creatures appeared and these animals 3677 02:30:44,280 --> 02:30:42,040 vanishing again like flashes of light so 3678 02:30:46,410 --> 02:30:44,290 in other words the military was taken an 3679 02:30:48,570 --> 02:30:46,420 interest in eyewitnesses where there 3680 02:30:51,211 --> 02:30:48,580 seemed to be suggestions that Bigfoot 3681 02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:51,221 was more than just an unknown realm in 3682 02:30:55,980 --> 02:30:54,130 the United States so for me you know 3683 02:30:57,631 --> 02:30:55,990 that would be the one thing I would sort 3684 02:31:01,080 --> 02:30:57,641 of really like to uncover is what has 3685 02:31:03,150 --> 02:31:01,090 prompted the the investigations of the 3686 02:31:05,280 --> 02:31:03,160 government into Bigfoot and what have 3687 02:31:06,930 --> 02:31:05,290 they found possibly suggesting it is 3688 02:31:09,301 --> 02:31:06,940 more than just you know a u.s. 3689 02:31:11,820 --> 02:31:09,311 equivalent of a Congo gorilla or 3690 02:31:13,650 --> 02:31:11,830 whatever of course getting anything out 3691 02:31:15,570 --> 02:31:13,660 of the government right now in this 3692 02:31:18,750 --> 02:31:15,580 particular climate must be near 3693 02:31:21,301 --> 02:31:18,760 impossible well yeah I mean that's why a 3694 02:31:23,970 --> 02:31:21,311 lot of the stuff I uncover is historical 3695 02:31:25,560 --> 02:31:23,980 because you know the older material is 3696 02:31:29,940 --> 02:31:25,570 more likely to be officially 3697 02:31:34,230 --> 02:31:29,950 Declassified and that is the case you 3698 02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:34,240 know in today's world the legislation 3699 02:31:38,040 --> 02:31:36,610 over determining what can be 3700 02:31:40,110 --> 02:31:38,050 declassified and what can't be 3701 02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,120 Declassified you know the files are 3702 02:31:45,330 --> 02:31:43,120 scrutinize for a far greater time period 3703 02:31:48,990 --> 02:31:45,340 to ensure nothing that affects national 3704 02:31:50,580 --> 02:31:49,000 security he's released but you know 3705 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:50,590 these older files and the forties and 3706 02:31:55,440 --> 02:31:53,530 fifties you know is less concern about 3707 02:31:57,750 --> 02:31:55,450 those because it's a long Gani or at the 3708 02:32:00,211 --> 02:31:57,760 people involved are long gone as well 3709 02:32:02,250 --> 02:32:00,221 and you know more often than not it's 3710 02:32:03,780 --> 02:32:02,260 sort of it's a very fascinating file but 3711 02:32:05,430 --> 02:32:03,790 it's you know it could be relatively 3712 02:32:06,490 --> 02:32:05,440 obscure as well sort of like the Tom 3713 02:32:08,590 --> 02:32:06,500 slick stuff you know 3714 02:32:10,900 --> 02:32:08,600 you wonder what you can find there about 3715 02:32:13,180 --> 02:32:10,910 UFOs and such but the other question is 3716 02:32:15,250 --> 02:32:13,190 here with current stuff that's 3717 02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:15,260 supposedly secret leaking like a sieve 3718 02:32:22,930 --> 02:32:18,350 how do they keep stuff secret for four 3719 02:32:24,550 --> 02:32:22,940 five six decades well I mean with the 3720 02:32:26,710 --> 02:32:24,560 Freedom of Information Act you know 3721 02:32:29,380 --> 02:32:26,720 there's there's legislation that allows 3722 02:32:30,970 --> 02:32:29,390 for continuing withholding of files the 3723 02:32:32,620 --> 02:32:30,980 Freedom of Information Act isn't a tool 3724 02:32:36,040 --> 02:32:32,630 that opens all doors for example the 3725 02:32:38,260 --> 02:32:36,050 there are five or six pieces of rulings 3726 02:32:40,300 --> 02:32:38,270 within the FOIA documentation that 3727 02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:40,310 allows for continuing withholding of 3728 02:32:45,610 --> 02:32:44,000 files the the most cited one is b1 which 3729 02:32:47,230 --> 02:32:45,620 covers national security so if there's 3730 02:32:49,450 --> 02:32:47,240 something in a fifty-year-old file that 3731 02:32:51,460 --> 02:32:49,460 can't be released you know that can just 3732 02:32:53,530 --> 02:32:51,470 slap the b1 coding on it and you don't 3733 02:32:56,620 --> 02:32:53,540 get to see it and they're also what are 3734 02:32:58,570 --> 02:32:56,630 called special access programs or SATs 3735 02:33:00,610 --> 02:32:58,580 which essentially is like the official 3736 02:33:03,370 --> 02:33:00,620 term for something like a black project 3737 02:33:06,190 --> 02:33:03,380 where you know it's it's not necessarily 3738 02:33:09,580 --> 02:33:06,200 even known to exist by Congress and 3739 02:33:13,840 --> 02:33:09,590 organizations like this and so s ApS or 3740 02:33:16,680 --> 02:33:13,850 you know a good way in which material 3741 02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:16,690 can you know stays behind closed doors 3742 02:33:21,370 --> 02:33:19,130 because the thing is with a Freedom of 3743 02:33:23,650 --> 02:33:21,380 Information Act you have to specifically 3744 02:33:26,950 --> 02:33:23,660 be able to know what you're asking for 3745 02:33:30,130 --> 02:33:26,960 you know it's no good right into the FBI 3746 02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:30,140 and saying I want your files on men in 3747 02:33:34,900 --> 02:33:32,810 black you know or on contact II shall we 3748 02:33:37,300 --> 02:33:34,910 say it's a the contactees what you've 3749 02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:37,310 got to do is provide the name of one of 3750 02:33:42,340 --> 02:33:39,290 the contacts like George Adamski and 3751 02:33:44,890 --> 02:33:42,350 preferably provide data birth date of 3752 02:33:46,630 --> 02:33:44,900 death a photocopy of a of a death 3753 02:33:48,970 --> 02:33:46,640 certificate or a you know in a 3754 02:33:51,400 --> 02:33:48,980 tree in a newspaper and send all that in 3755 02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:51,410 you know saying I want files on the 3756 02:33:56,980 --> 02:33:53,930 1950s contactees he's not going to work 3757 02:33:59,350 --> 02:33:56,990 you have to be very specific and of 3758 02:34:00,910 --> 02:33:59,360 course if you can't be specific well 3759 02:34:03,400 --> 02:34:00,920 it's not the case that the agency won't 3760 02:34:04,810 --> 02:34:03,410 necessarily release the material they've 3761 02:34:06,850 --> 02:34:04,820 got nothing to go on if you're just 3762 02:34:09,340 --> 02:34:06,860 using random terms and words you know 3763 02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:09,350 well maybe they do but that gives them 3764 02:34:14,620 --> 02:34:12,560 an excuse well it might give them excuse 3765 02:34:15,970 --> 02:34:14,630 but sometimes actually he's a legitimate 3766 02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:15,980 truth you know if you're working the 3767 02:34:19,690 --> 02:34:17,690 freedom of information office and you 3768 02:34:20,860 --> 02:34:19,700 get a letter from somebody says and 3769 02:34:23,921 --> 02:34:20,870 the terms of the Freedom of Information 3770 02:34:26,801 --> 02:34:23,931 Act I demand you release your files on 3771 02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:26,811 abductees you know how does that person 3772 02:34:31,421 --> 02:34:28,730 necessarily going to know you talk about 3773 02:34:33,700 --> 02:34:31,431 alien abductees how they're gonna and 3774 02:34:35,530 --> 02:34:33,710 even if they are how is that person in 3775 02:34:37,690 --> 02:34:35,540 the FOIA office remember the person 3776 02:34:39,060 --> 02:34:37,700 who's an employee of the FOIA office 3777 02:34:41,290 --> 02:34:39,070 they're not you know necessarily 3778 02:34:43,570 --> 02:34:41,300 conversing with everything that's gone 3779 02:34:45,940 --> 02:34:43,580 on so how will I know you're talking 3780 02:34:49,060 --> 02:34:45,950 about Betty and Barney Hill or Betty 3781 02:34:50,740 --> 02:34:49,070 Andreas and or some other abductee they 3782 02:34:53,051 --> 02:34:50,750 won't you know you have to be really 3783 02:34:55,150 --> 02:34:53,061 specific so you know you could make 3784 02:34:56,650 --> 02:34:55,160 somebody might make the argument yeah 3785 02:34:58,960 --> 02:34:56,660 it's a convenient way of not releasing 3786 02:35:02,560 --> 02:34:58,970 files but these paper only human as well 3787 02:35:05,171 --> 02:35:02,570 they need specific information to allow 3788 02:35:07,060 --> 02:35:05,181 them to search for a file so if I want 3789 02:35:09,910 --> 02:35:07,070 to search for a file I have to have as 3790 02:35:12,761 --> 02:35:09,920 much specificity as possible I have two 3791 02:35:15,310 --> 02:35:12,771 virtual 'i know something about the file 3792 02:35:18,250 --> 02:35:15,320 at least a fair amount of information 3793 02:35:20,890 --> 02:35:18,260 about what might be contained in it 3794 02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:20,900 dates times all that other stuff before 3795 02:35:24,250 --> 02:35:22,610 they'll even be able to find it if 3796 02:35:27,220 --> 02:35:24,260 they'll find it if they'll be able to 3797 02:35:28,810 --> 02:35:27,230 release it yes yeah that's one of the 3798 02:35:32,440 --> 02:35:28,820 things it's not enough just to say you 3799 02:35:34,450 --> 02:35:32,450 know you you can't be you know vague 3800 02:35:37,421 --> 02:35:34,460 about this because otherwise the search 3801 02:35:38,921 --> 02:35:37,431 would go on forever you know it's not 3802 02:35:40,780 --> 02:35:38,931 that we can expect the government to be 3803 02:35:46,120 --> 02:35:40,790 very efficient they're too busy making 3804 02:35:47,710 --> 02:35:46,130 Star Trek movies for trainees and after 3805 02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:47,720 they listen to this show the NSA is 3806 02:35:51,430 --> 02:35:49,280 going to be engaged in all sorts of 3807 02:35:53,620 --> 02:35:51,440 discussions about what we were talking 3808 02:35:57,341 --> 02:35:53,630 about trying to put some kind of figure 3809 02:36:00,430 --> 02:35:57,351 on it I am only kidding well you know I 3810 02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:00,440 think I think it's like I came back to 3811 02:36:06,520 --> 02:36:04,730 earlier the this clear evidence that the 3812 02:36:10,750 --> 02:36:06,530 UFO community has been watched over the 3813 02:36:12,551 --> 02:36:10,760 years but it's done as far as I can tell 3814 02:36:14,710 --> 02:36:12,561 at least you know the best way to do it 3815 02:36:17,381 --> 02:36:14,720 is in the open listen to radio shows 3816 02:36:19,330 --> 02:36:17,391 listen to podcasts read books because 3817 02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:19,340 you follow gist invariably talk about 3818 02:36:23,080 --> 02:36:20,960 what they've uncovered you know you 3819 02:36:25,301 --> 02:36:23,090 don't need you actually don't need to 3820 02:36:27,970 --> 02:36:25,311 bug the telephone of a ufologist when 3821 02:36:30,430 --> 02:36:27,980 that person has a monthly column or an 3822 02:36:32,140 --> 02:36:30,440 online you know column at these sides or 3823 02:36:33,591 --> 02:36:32,150 that side because you know invariably 3824 02:36:36,470 --> 02:36:33,601 the time comes when they write about 3825 02:36:38,451 --> 02:36:36,480 they found so you know that's it's the 3826 02:36:40,791 --> 02:36:38,461 easiest way of watching us you know is 3827 02:36:43,011 --> 02:36:40,801 to see what we put out there okay so you 3828 02:36:45,230 --> 02:36:43,021 wrote this book about what they know 3829 02:36:47,451 --> 02:36:45,240 about the government secrets the 3830 02:36:49,610 --> 02:36:47,461 classified documents do you think now 3831 02:36:53,690 --> 02:36:49,620 they've expanded their files about Nick 3832 02:36:55,461 --> 02:36:53,700 Redfern no I truthfully don't you know I 3833 02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:55,471 mean some authors might say yo yeah 3834 02:36:58,581 --> 02:36:56,610 they're watching me because they think 3835 02:37:00,650 --> 02:36:58,591 it's going to increase their popularity 3836 02:37:01,190 --> 02:37:00,660 or whatever or the intrigue surrounding 3837 02:37:02,991 --> 02:37:01,200 them 3838 02:37:05,751 --> 02:37:03,001 you know I'm honest with you I don't 3839 02:37:08,541 --> 02:37:05,761 think so because you know I'm not some 3840 02:37:10,900 --> 02:37:08,551 gary mckinnon type breaking into 3841 02:37:14,001 --> 02:37:10,910 computers are not illegally 3842 02:37:16,190 --> 02:37:14,011 you know leaking material I'm using the 3843 02:37:18,741 --> 02:37:16,200 Freedom of Information Act you know so 3844 02:37:21,171 --> 02:37:18,751 I'm using stuff that the government is 3845 02:37:22,900 --> 02:37:21,181 letting us see you know that's a 3846 02:37:25,900 --> 02:37:22,910 completely different thing to somebody 3847 02:37:28,671 --> 02:37:25,910 you know hacking systems or releasing 3848 02:37:30,501 --> 02:37:28,681 classified materials to WikiLeaks or 3849 02:37:32,781 --> 02:37:30,511 whatever you know which which is totally 3850 02:37:34,131 --> 02:37:32,791 different so no you know it's like if 3851 02:37:36,230 --> 02:37:34,141 you're if you're using what the 3852 02:37:37,850 --> 02:37:36,240 government's letting you see they might 3853 02:37:39,201 --> 02:37:37,860 be interesting to know what you do with 3854 02:37:42,470 --> 02:37:39,211 it but at the end of the day you're 3855 02:37:44,571 --> 02:37:42,480 still using stuff that is legally freely 3856 02:37:47,060 --> 02:37:44,581 available the book is called monster 3857 02:37:49,251 --> 02:37:47,070 files a look inside government secrets 3858 02:37:51,860 --> 02:37:49,261 and classified documents on bizarre 3859 02:37:54,110 --> 02:37:51,870 creatures and extraordinary animals and 3860 02:37:56,511 --> 02:37:54,120 I am none of the above nor am i a 3861 02:37:58,461 --> 02:37:56,521 bizarre secret or classified secret Nick 3862 02:38:00,020 --> 02:37:58,471 Redfern tell our listeners please how 3863 02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:00,030 they can get a hold of your check out 3864 02:38:06,201 --> 02:38:02,370 your stuff people can reach me at Mick 3865 02:38:08,571 --> 02:38:06,211 Redfern for tea and fo RT a and dot blog 3866 02:38:12,711 --> 02:38:08,581 spot.com or they can reach via Facebook 3867 02:38:14,360 --> 02:38:12,721 and books available on Amazon or stroll 3868 02:38:16,100 --> 02:38:14,370 into Barnes & Noble and pick it up off 3869 02:38:17,871 --> 02:38:16,110 the shelves how about that 3870 02:38:20,511 --> 02:38:17,881 Chris hey Brian where can we find you 3871 02:38:21,980 --> 02:38:20,521 I've gotta know our strange planet you 3872 02:38:24,770 --> 02:38:21,990 know we live on a strange planet 3873 02:38:27,711 --> 02:38:24,780 it's our strange planet calm and you'd 3874 02:38:29,571 --> 02:38:27,721 find us at the parent Cass calm we are 3875 02:38:31,251 --> 02:38:29,581 also known as the power cast on Twitter 3876 02:38:34,190 --> 02:38:31,261 greatly expanding the number of 3877 02:38:36,960 --> 02:38:34,200 followers we are also running a power 3878 02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:36,970 cast fan club on Facebook two of them 3879 02:38:42,389 --> 02:38:40,000 someday we'll merge him into one but 3880 02:38:44,219 --> 02:38:42,399 probably not in our lifetimes Nick 3881 02:38:55,000 --> 02:38:44,229 Redfern thanks for joining us this week 3882 02:39:01,429 --> 02:38:58,520 the para cast featuring gene Steinberg 3883 02:39:04,420 --> 02:39:01,439 and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted 3884 02:39:08,150 --> 02:39:04,430 presentation of making the impossible